Will the Supreme Court protect Women's Rights?

flappergirl

hilz

Mollygo.
I am all for women having rights. As indeed I am for everyone to have rights. My heart goes out to those negatively affected by the courts recent outcome. Whist being happy for those who feel victorious.
We are not all the same. I'm just trying to live life accepting we are all different and be as respectful as I can be..

One marginalised group should not be deemed more important than another. In the case of transwomen there has been no open debate or consultation and women have been told to shut up or go and boil their stupid, pathetic heads. There has been a totalitarian approach to trans rights on a level rarely afforded to other minority groups. Ninety seven per cent of sex and violent crimes are committed against women by men and the GRC is wide open to abuse and it has indeed been abused. There are 300 women in the Trans prison wing in Scotland and every one of them is in there for rape and sexual assault against women. And people wonder why we are just a teeny tiny bit concerned that hitherto, any man wearing a dress can access our spaces.

I am curious about where your information that " 300 women in the Trans prison wing in Scotland and every one of them is in there for rape and sexual assault against women" was sourced?
There is no Trans prison wing in Scotland and I can find no corroboration for your statistics.
Exaggerations, such as this, and extreme views on both sides of this debate are very unhelpful.

hilz

Rosie50
I have not looked into the criminality of any particular group of people. Everyday is a school day...

Ah. That probably explains why you don’t seem to have grasped the reasons for women’s concerns.

If you take a look at the figures you might find that you agree. This is not about being unkind. It is about wanting safety, privacy and dignity for women and girls. It is not about fear of transwomen per se. It is about recognising that they are male, and that males present a risk to females. That is why we have spaces allocated by sex, not ‘gender’.

flappergirl
There has been a totalitarian approach to trans rights on a level rarely afforded to other minority groups. Ninety seven per cent of sex and violent crimes are committed against women by men and the GRC is wide open to abuse and it has indeed been abused. There are 300 women in the Trans prison wing in Scotland and every one of them is in there for rape and sexual assault against women. And people wonder why we are just a teeny tiny bit concerned that hitherto, any man wearing a dress can access our spaces.

Thank you for that information.

Stand by for the potential reiteration of the excuse that the percentage of TW (males) who rape and sexually assault women is smaller than the percentage of men (male) who rape and sexually assault women.
The victims who are being raped or sexually assaulted by males, however they identify, don't see the excuse as valid.

hilz

Mollygo.
I am all for women having rights. As indeed I am for everyone to have rights. My heart goes out to those negatively affected by the courts recent outcome. Whist being happy for those who feel victorious.
We are not all the same. I'm just trying to live life accepting we are all different and be as respectful as I can be..

One marginalised group should not be deemed more important than another. In the case of transwomen there has been no open debate or consultation and women have been told to shut up or go and boil their stupid, pathetic heads. There has been a totalitarian approach to trans rights on a level rarely afforded to other minority groups. Ninety seven per cent of sex and violent crimes are committed against women by men and the GRC is wide open to abuse and it has indeed been abused. There are 300 women in the Trans prison wing in Scotland and every one of them is in there for rape and sexual assault against women. And people wonder why we are just a teeny tiny bit concerned that hitherto, any man wearing a dress can access our spaces.

The ruling doesn't give women more rights ordinarygirl it reinforces the rights we already have that were being ignored.

This issue more than any other in my experience attracts those vs posts Mollygo.

If you read these threads, you’ll realise that most posters have already expressed belief in women’s rights, etc. etc.
Where are all these vs posts coming from? Announcing that I’m just . . . or I believe. . . , with the smug implication that no one else does?
Or even the strange announcement we’re not all the same as if no one else already knew that, so what does it mean?

hilz

Rosie50
I have not looked into the criminality of any particular group of people. Everyday is a school day...

It’s a pity you haven’t looked into the criminality of any particular group. As Rosie51 points out, on the statistics we have, men are responsible for 97% of sexual assaults. As she also points out, transgender women in prison is a greater percentage than male offenders.
Every day is indeed a school day. A rather dismissive comment given how serious this topic is

How does the ruling give more rights to women?

Mollygo.
I am all for women having rights. As indeed I am for everyone to have rights. My heart goes out to those negatively affected by the courts recent outcome. Whist being happy for those who feel victorious.
We are not all the same. I'm just trying to live life accepting we are all different and be as respectful as I can be..

Rosie50
I have not looked into the criminality of any particular group of people. Everyday is a school day...

hilz

To suggest we are more at risk from a trans person is insulting and cruel. So long as we all have a space where we can have our privacy and dignity maintained then I would be comfortable The difficulty is that some single sex places will struggle to provide spaces for those who perceive them selves to be a different sex to the one they were assigned at birth. In the meantime I simply wish we could be kinder to each other.

I don't think it's transpersons women at are risk from, it's specifically transwomen. It is a fact that men are responsible for 97% of sexual assaults. It is also fact that the percentage of transgender women incarcerated in our prisons for sex crimes is a much greater percentage compared to that of 'men' incarcerated for sex crimes. The fact that transwomen are male cannot be disregarded. Maybe the whole self-id as transgender needs a more in-depth examination. We need to know why transwomen rape and sexually abuse genetic women at a much higher incidence than ordinary non-trans men.

My apologies for the misspell of your name . Mollygo that is all it was .. You are still a very rude person for your comment to me .
Insulting and rude I might add . I am a glad a few other posters supported other thoughts on this subject as it really was becoming an echo chamber for hate. You can disguise it as you want but that is what this is .

Oh Hilz I so agree with I simply wish we could be kinder to each other.
But one group has spent years being kind-and look where that has got us.
No one has suggested that we are at risk from all trans so your comment is inaccurate, to say the least.
You say,
So long as we all have a space where we can have our privacy and dignity maintained then I would be comfortable

And wouldn’t we all!

Women did have those spaces, until the antics of some trans and TRA took away the certainty that a space women had previously believed would afford them privacy and dignity no longer existed.

You will find that GNs do believe TIM deserve places that will afford them privacy and dignity, so you, and all of us can be comfortable.

Hilz, do you think that should be at the expense of women who have fought long and hard to get them for themselves?

To suggest we are more at risk from a trans person is insulting and cruel. So long as we all have a space where we can have our privacy and dignity maintained then I would be comfortable The difficulty is that some single sex places will struggle to provide spaces for those who perceive them selves to be a different sex to the one they were assigned at birth. In the meantime I simply wish we could be kinder to each other.

Yeah that would be because men commit 97 % of sexual assault.

My concern about the judgement is that it implies that a person wants to change from male to female or vice versa on a whim. I am very lucky that I was born a woman and want to stay a woman. Not everyone is that lucky.
Ladies no longer have communal changing rooms, cubicles in public lavatories . Screens in hospitals. So why do people feel so threatened?
NHS is still in a position where a male GP has to have a chaperone for intimate examinations but not the case if a female GP. Nobody heard that a woman can assault a woman? Nobody seems to complain when a female cleaner is in male toilets or vice versa.

AuntieE

Frankly if the court of session can make head or tail of the link OP provided they are a gey clever bunch of people, irrespective of sex.

I trust the arguments put forward by the Advocates will be a whole lot clearer.

I do care about women's rights, but I also care about men's rights, and the rights of those who feel they have been born in the wrong kind of body.

The Appeal was heard by the Supreme Court (that's the UK court) the Court of Session is the highest Scottish Court who had supported Scotgov.

The Supreme Court (that's the UK court) judge thanked the KC for the Sex Matters submission which helped them reach their judgement

I think everyone here cares about other humans but many don't want hard won rights to be seized claimed inappropriately at others' expense.

CountessFosco

You are right - far too few care, they would rather respond to silly, superficial comments. Just my opinion. Also fed-up with GN. If only everyone was forced to give their names instead of hiding behind pseudonyms, maybe the content would be better?

Lots of us care, Countess , but not all are prepared to share our opinions on here.

As for the pseudonyms, I feel that they help to keep us safe. A pseudonym means that any unscrupulous persons on here cannot look us up on places like Linked In, X, or Facebook and, potentially send us unwanted messages or friendship requests. I, for one, prefer it that way.

4allweknow

Does Scotland have a Supreme Court? Thought that Court covered all GB.

The Supreme Court is the final court of appeal in the UK for civil cases, and for criminal cases from England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Does Scotland have a Supreme Court? Thought that Court covered all GB.

Agreed AGAA4, Oreo, Pascal30
Trans who have never caused problems for women will indeed be worried. Something that the violent TW or TRA have never considered before and are not considering now.
Women who have never caused problems for trans are even more worried.
Although some consider that not allowing any males into women’s safe spaces or sports or jobs consider that as women causing problems for trans

IW is celebrating that over 1000people were shouting expletive JKR.
TW are waving banners saying bring back witch burning for JK.

Oreo

AGAA4

Transwomen have been around for a long time and have been using the female toilets mostly with no problems.
TransAction and other groups have caused problems for women and transwomen by insisting that they are women and have a right to be in female safe spaces.
Transwomen who have never caused problems for women are now worried about the reactions after the court case

As I expected the TRAs will continue to behave like aggressive men and cause more trouble. They won't go quietly.

Agreed

completely agree too...

AGAA4

Transwomen have been around for a long time and have been using the female toilets mostly with no problems.
TransAction and other groups have caused problems for women and transwomen by insisting that they are women and have a right to be in female safe spaces.
Transwomen who have never caused problems for women are now worried about the reactions after the court case

As I expected the TRAs will continue to behave like aggressive men and cause more trouble. They won't go quietly.

Agreed

What rights for men who feel they've been born into the wrong
body are you referring too AuntieE?

Expect kickbacks against the ruling from now onwards🤬