Will the Supreme Court protect Women's Rights?

Chocolatelovinggran

The new build shopping centre in my daughter's town in Norway has individual non - gendered toilets opening onto the communal areas. These seem to cover all bases.

Oh how wonderful! So much safer for everyone.

The new build shopping centre in my daughter's town in Norway has individual non - gendered toilets opening onto the communal areas. These seem to cover all bases.

Thank you for the answers. Do we foresee any issues that might arise? Disabled toilets makes me a little uncomfortable. Could we possibly turn our attention to making public facilities more secure? I have passed many facilities that did not look at all safe and lived with the discomfort.

She was an excellent ambassador for transgender people she sounds like it Chocolatelovinggran .

Transgender need either their own facilities or be able to use those for their sex without fear or trepidation FGT's. Disabled facilities need to be retained for the disabled.

I have posted before about my affection for my excellent former GP, who was a transwoman, following surgery and hormone therapy.
She continued to live with her wife and children, went to church, and in every way led a totally unassuming life. She was very much a part of the wider life of my small town. This was forty years ago.
She was an excellent ambassador for transgender people.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Love ‘autocarrot’ Doodledog!

Love ‘autocarrot’ Doodledog!

It’s being suggested trans use loos for the disabled. Private and signage will be altered to indicate their new usage.

baby-changing, not chasing! Where dos autocarrot get its ideas from?

All women have wanted for ages is that the correct boundaries be put in place.

Time will tell whether the boundaries that end up in place are indeed correct, though. Far too often, it was the Ladies loos that (as well as doubling as the Disabled loo and the baby-chasing one) was designated 'gender-neutral', so men could use the Ladies as well as the Gents, and women had nowhere to call our own. That was not, IMO, the 'correct' boundary.

If transpeople adhere to the spirit of the ruling, and use the facilities designed for their biological sex, not their psychological 'gender' then yes, I see no reason why relationships should not improve. Personally, I have never had a bad relationship with a transwoman in the first place. I just want women and girls to feel safe, to have dignity and privacy, and for statistics to properly represent trends in society and health concerns that affect the sexes differently. I would also like to see female shortlists being for women, and for sport to be fair.

I don't know what relationships I would have with trans identifying men other than on an individual basis.

Please stop making vague references to a lack of honesty and sincerity Luminance, it makes the thread unnecessarily unpleasant.

Luminance

Is it absurd to hope that ensuring the correct boundaries are in place will improve relationships between women and trans women overall?

I suppose that depends on whether everyone can agree what the correct boundaries are.

Elegran

Good fences make good neighbours, so if people on each side of the fences can see that their neighbours will not encroach over their boundaries, it may be that they can be good friends as well as neighbours.

You said it Elegran.
We will have to wait and see how that materialises.

Luminance

Is it absurd to hope that ensuring the correct boundaries are in place will improve relationships between women and trans women overall?

Good fences make good neighbours, so if people on each side of the fences can see that their neighbours will not encroach over their boundaries, it may be that they can be good friends as well as neighbours.

Luminance

Is it absurd to hope that ensuring the correct boundaries are in place will improve relationships between women and trans women overall?

This is my only question or curiosity here and I have run out of ways to word it You can choose to pick apart the wording or dissemble further but this is all I would hope for and I will read with great interest those who do answer with honesty and sincerity.

Luminance
I would like people to respond to what is written.

Doodledog

What is it that you would like to hear, Luminance? I don't understand what you are concerned about, or what would make you less concerned.

Smileless2012

What are these lack of rights for trans people Luminance?

Maybe you could lead the way Luminance, and respond to what is written by these and other posters.

you need to be specific Luminance. Who isn't responding to what's been written and who is not being honest and sincere?

And it will only happen if the unrealistic and unacceptable demands of TRA's are put aside.

It may sound outrageous but I would like people to respond to what is written. It is very hard to understand how anything could be achieved by dissembling over what another says. An honest, sincere person does not do that.

"I am rather unsure how that would happen." It will happen the same way as all other social changes have happened - slowly and by osmosis, and it will be painful for many people until it is assimilated and the controversies settle into a compromise which becomes the norm.

You probably won't want to hear this Luminance but Elegran's post rang so true and is how I have perceived your posts. Perhaps you could try to enlighten us as to what you do want?

What are these lack of rights for trans people Luminance?

In the numerous discussions we've had on GN about this issue the supposed lack of rights for trans people is always mentioned but no one has ever said what they are.

Trans women cannot and should not expect to have any rights that impinge on or take away women's rights.

What I would like to see is a push to make trans people of both sexes (but mostly transwomen) accepted by members of their own sex.... this is what's needed Doodledog then trans women in particular could use without fear, the facilities designated for men and it ceases to be a problem for women to solve on their own.

What is it that you would like to hear, Luminance? I don't understand what you are concerned about, or what would make you less concerned.

What it seems to me is that women would prefer that trans people assimilate into society without asking for the rights women have fought for and won.

Of course transwomen cannot ask to share the rights women have fought for; they are not entitled to them because
They Are Not Women, They Are Men.