Will the Supreme Court protect Women's Rights?

No, in the end they lost, but they were kept going for a long time based on their insistence on adding a T to LGB.

Actually I don't think stonewall have benefited in the end. Organisation after organisation has cut ties with them. A new organisation for lesbians, gay and bisexual people has been created, that wouldn't have happened if stonewall hadn't embraced this belief system.

Agreed. If all the energy that has gone into this fight had been used to promote acceptance of transpeople as just that, we would be a lot further ahead than we are. As it is, it will take time to undo the damage before we can make progress.

The TRAs have done everyone a huge disservice. Women, the 'quiet' transpeople, children who have had their bodies mutilated and their minds damaged, people who have lost jobs and been dragged through courts - the list goes on and on. Only Stonewall seems to have benefited from all of this, as they coerced councils and educational institutions into getting their Diversity Champion awards. It kept their people in jobs after they stopped being needed to fight for gay rights when that was achieved.

Galaxy

It is a better day, but imagine if 20 years ago someone had told us in the future you will be celebrating winning a legal case to prove men aren't women. It demonstrates what we have lost and had to fight to regain.

It’s unbelievable really isn’t it? The whole thing of these angry entitled men muscling in , literally in some cases into what only concerns women.
Transmen don’t seem to feel the need to be like this.There are men and women and transmen and transwomen and that’s the way it should stay.

I wonder how many of these policies will be destroyed and rewritten, or will the perpetrators ignore the Ruling and continue to impose them, as is happening with the Cass report?

Yes I agree FGT, from a grammatical pov what's the point of teaching children singular and plural, but that pales into insignificance in imbuing them in the notion there are something in the region of 70 or so genders. Loading up young minds with unsubstantiated nonsense doesn't bode well for their futures depending on individual susceptibilities.

And can we now have “they” back as a plural? Ban it please as an evasive way of saying something very odd indeed.

I read an interview with Julie Bindel who recollects much of the aggression shown to women who campaigned for women only spaces started around 2004, gaining momentum from that time given the endorsements from high profile individuals and politicians who backed trans women in their assertions around sharing women only spaces and inclusive language. With that latter point in mind, I read a while back that some younger females were not sure that the cervix was a body part that pertained to women. It's ridiculous really from an educational and on going women's health pov that there's been orchestrated ambiguity around such an important issue, particularly if that confusion could potentially lead to women thinking having cervical smear testing wouldn't apply to them. I'll always remember the tragic outcome for Jade Goody in that respect. Returning to Julie Bindel who has given over much of her life to campaigning for women in these matters whilst simultaneously threatened with rape, murder and being assaulted by a 6ft bearded man in a dress, could there be a better reason, not for her obviously, why whilst respecting the right of anyone to live their lives in the sex they identify, to not want women to capitulate to demands thar are unreasonable, misleading and potentially dangerous.

It is a better day, but imagine if 20 years ago someone had told us in the future you will be celebrating winning a legal case to prove men aren't women. It demonstrates what we have lost and had to fight to regain.

Yes it does indeed feel better Iam64 and not just for the 70’s feminists.

Trans activists will still be a noisy group.

Today is a new day when life feels better ...... yes it is and it does Iam .

Imagine - you somehow missed the last 20 years, haven’t watched JKR, Julie Bindel and other well known campaigners vilified, nurses suspended for calling a male aggressive peadophile Mr as he’s in for uti treatment (different needs in biological male/female) etc etc etc

So you wake up, decide to catch up on gransnet and read through this thread. Beam me up Scottie you may well conclude

Today is a new day when life feels better because 5 high court judges confirmed what all us 70’s feminists have been criticised for saying. A woman is an adult born biologically female

Luminance,
you talk about trans rights.
I’m simply asking what you think they are. But if you can’t answer or it’s too difficult, , that’s OK. I won’t ask again.

It would be good Smileless especially as men have never been referred to as 'people with a prostate' or 'people who ejaculate'
We've been constantly told that transpeople are a tiny persecuted minority and yet so much official language was changed to avoid giving them offence while not caring that many of the majority were offended by the absurdities.

I'm wondering if this ruling will do away with language that has to all intents and purposes, 'done away' with the use of the word woman.

Will pregnant women continue to be referred too as 'birth givers'? Will women continue to be referred too as 'people with a cervix'? and will women who breast feed continue to be referred too as 'chest feeders'?

Also I find the term, Jock in a frock like the shows, vulgar and tacky, as with other things, each to their own.

Carlotta, I do not agree with your views. You have yours gir your own reasons but they are not mine.
Why did you find it necessary to give a list of drag queens who are transgender?.

How is anyone supposed to have a reasonable discussion if you cannot discuss and must dictate your views

The irony.

Mollygo what relevance does that have to me? Why are you demanding I answer a question that doesn't apply to anything I have said, I have answered based on what I have said but I cannot join you in fantasy. Carlotta Transgender refers to gender dysphoria or the feeling of being in the wrong body, drag is a performance. Can trans people do drag? Yes of course but that does not make the two things the same. How is anyone supposed to have a reasonable discussion if you cannot discuss and must dictate your views? Now are we all in favour of trans people keeping the protections they are afforded against discrimination and harassment, which the court clearly stated? Or is it that there are further issues to be discussed?

Mollygo

Therein lies a difficulty.

What trans rights Luminance, PN et al are you saying there is no support for?

I am asking again, because so far there has been a lot of accusations, but no clarification.

The only transrights we ever hear of in the news is where TW want to cheat by entering female sports, or lie their way into female safe spaces.

So it would be really useful to know from those with more expertise like Luminance and Politics Nerd . . .

What rights have trans asked for or in some cases demanded that don’t impinge on existing, hard fought female rights, meaning they would tread on others to get their rights?

In the days of living unnoticed or I wouldn’t have known, except trans, what rights did they demand that they did or didn’t get.

Still no answer to a reasonable question Luminance?
Just picking holes in what others post.

I’ve attached the post again to save you looking back.

Then stop conflating your questions with ridiculous generalised dictats, about a wholly diverse community, with statements such as Trans people are not drag queens. Some are. Some are not. Some transgender people are quiet, law abiding, decent folk who just want to get on with their day to day life. Some don't; they want to agitate, disrupt and create division. And they've caused great harm and distrust between women and trans communities that will take a long time to recover from. This has been explained to you several times already but fails to satisfy you. No one is obliged to answer your questions to your satisfaction so, if you've received one satisfactory answer; be happy with it.

Is this a logic puzzle? Some apples are pears so all apples must be pears? This is bordering rather strongly on the ridiculous now. I asked if people were happy for trans people to keep their protections and live a life free from discrimination and harassment and the responses are purely strange. I count one person who has answered with clarity that they were. I wish people would just speak the truth of how they feel about trans people, I would respect that over the waste of everyone's time comments here.

Oh well done Carlotta I hadn't refreshed the page. I wonder if Luminance is capable of embarrassment or humility.....

As I understand it, all groups under the trans umbrella align with each other. Are you saying they each have different priorities and objectives. What discrimination do drag queens face? Are they subject to different laws than non-drag queens?