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Will the Supreme Court protect Women's Rights?

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OldFrill Tue 15-Apr-25 13:48:53

Judgement is due tomorrow Wed 16 April.
The link explains the history, the options and the implications.

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/will-the-supreme-court-protect-womens-rights/

Oreo Wed 16-Apr-25 16:56:57

Galaxy

Oh and for those who moan on that it is just middle aged, or elderly women moaning on the internet. Would you like to guess where the three women who won that judgement today met? On Mumsnet. Maybe just maybe don't underestimate the power of middle aged women. grin

Exactly
It ain’t the youngsters going to be doing it.

Oreo Wed 16-Apr-25 16:55:36

Defining a woman? How far down the rabbit hole have we gone that courts should even need to debate it.🤬
Prepare now, after this judgement for the( rabid )wing trans activists to start yelling.

Mollygo Wed 16-Apr-25 16:51:57

FriedGreenTomatoes2

So, with that certificate I could have an examination by a nurse with me thinking she’s a woman, but in reality the nurse is a man with a £5 certificate? 🤷‍♀️

Oh I remember those who argued this one with phrases like,
You can’t always tell
Or
It’s up to women (AHF) to say if they’re not happy that a TW has turned up to examine them, but that’s transphobic

I hope this latest ruling would prevent a TW convinced of his own you can’t tell continuing to lie in these situations.

Galaxy Wed 16-Apr-25 16:43:47

No this clarifies single sex provision. If you ask for provision by a woman it means biological sex. If organisations interpret it differently then the law would be against them.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 16-Apr-25 16:41:08

So, with that certificate I could have an examination by a nurse with me thinking she’s a woman, but in reality the nurse is a man with a £5 certificate? 🤷‍♀️

eazybee Wed 16-Apr-25 16:35:35

But the Gender Recognition Act needs tackling. Apparently possession of a certificate, after following certain procedures and paying £5,allows a man to claim he is 'officially' a woman, but not legally, I believe. He needs to be identified as a transwoman, officially male, otherwise statistics will be flawed.
This seems to me to be a great unkindness, letting these individuals indulge their fantasy that they can become a woman, simply through indulging a desire and imitating the actions and lifestyle of a woman.
What a ridiculous situation.

Galaxy Wed 16-Apr-25 16:33:13

Oh and for those who moan on that it is just middle aged, or elderly women moaning on the internet. Would you like to guess where the three women who won that judgement today met? On Mumsnet. Maybe just maybe don't underestimate the power of middle aged women. grin

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 16-Apr-25 16:06:16

TerriBull

Rosie51

I think that was David Lammy Carlotta who said while transwomen don't have ovaries with surgery and hormones they can 'grow' a cervix.

Then again David Lammy seemed to think Marie Antoinette won the Nobel Prize for physics.

Returning to politicians forced into cul-de-sacs of the their own making I never forget a reporter tying a very flummoxed Nicola Sturgeon up in knots over whether Isla Bryson, double rapist sex offender should be in a women's prison, and whether in fact she should be classified as a woman in the first place, if it wasn't such a serious issue it would have been hilarious, she couldn't answer with any clarity whatsoever. Thank goodness for her successor Humza Yousaf, who used a get out of jail free card to explain along the lines of, he/she was not a genuine trans woman, so that cleared that up. What a great recourse if the trans woman turns out to be a sex offender, it's simple, 'then they aren't a genuine trans woman at all' Unfortunately I don't think he gave women any guidance as to how they would be able to suss the genuine from the bogus. For Scottish women there was a kind of "just muddle along, you'll work it out or you won't, never mind, it's in the interests of inclusivity"

Dangerous nonsense wasn’t it Terribull? Anyway now the Supreme Court has said what the squirming politicians dared not. 👏

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 16-Apr-25 16:02:32

JenniferEccles

Isn’t it extraordinary that we are now living in such bizarre times that we are now celebrating a ruling stating only biological women are women?

Not that many years ago we would have been completely bemused that it was even under doubt.

We live in strange times! Bit like Alice in Wonderland some days. These trans activists are a bluddy nuisance. A vociferous minority group of men who wanted us all the think left was actually right.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 16-Apr-25 15:56:18

Carlotta 🎯

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 16-Apr-25 15:28:46

A victory for commonsense. I hope, now, that medical staff can carry out their work without fear of suspension for " misnaming".

Rosie51 Wed 16-Apr-25 15:23:02

www.spectator.co.uk/article/this-legal-definition-of-woman-has-restored-sanity-to-the-law/

An interesting article from Debbie Hayton a transwoman who has had the full surgery.

pascal30 Wed 16-Apr-25 14:25:39

Some sense at last...

Jaxjacky Wed 16-Apr-25 14:23:38

Well done those women, a hard battle justly won 👏👏👏

eazybee Wed 16-Apr-25 14:20:25

I don't believe Starmer cares one way or other about the real definition of women, transwomen, the place of cervixes et al; his response as always is calculated towards its effect on the electorate and ultimately support for Labour. The trans lobby has been surprisingly powerful and influential, and won't subside without a fight.

Blossoming Wed 16-Apr-25 13:22:00

Yes they will, as I said several posts ago. politicalnerd I hope this increases your understanding of this issue.

news.stv.tv/politics/uk-supreme-court-rules-woman-means-biological-female

Spinnaker Wed 16-Apr-25 13:02:31

Now that Starmer has his comfort blanket of the Court he might, just might, show some courage common sense and speak out on this whole sorry mess.

JenniferEccles Wed 16-Apr-25 12:46:27

Isn’t it extraordinary that we are now living in such bizarre times that we are now celebrating a ruling stating only biological women are women?

Not that many years ago we would have been completely bemused that it was even under doubt.

TerriBull Wed 16-Apr-25 12:44:46

Rosie51

I think that was David Lammy Carlotta who said while transwomen don't have ovaries with surgery and hormones they can 'grow' a cervix.

Then again David Lammy seemed to think Marie Antoinette won the Nobel Prize for physics.

Returning to politicians forced into cul-de-sacs of the their own making I never forget a reporter tying a very flummoxed Nicola Sturgeon up in knots over whether Isla Bryson, double rapist sex offender should be in a women's prison, and whether in fact she should be classified as a woman in the first place, if it wasn't such a serious issue it would have been hilarious, she couldn't answer with any clarity whatsoever. Thank goodness for her successor Humza Yousaf, who used a get out of jail free card to explain along the lines of, he/she was not a genuine trans woman, so that cleared that up. What a great recourse if the trans woman turns out to be a sex offender, it's simple, 'then they aren't a genuine trans woman at all' Unfortunately I don't think he gave women any guidance as to how they would be able to suss the genuine from the bogus. For Scottish women there was a kind of "just muddle along, you'll work it out or you won't, never mind, it's in the interests of inclusivity"

Abitbarmy Wed 16-Apr-25 12:34:47

Hallelujah!

Carlotta Wed 16-Apr-25 12:26:01

🍾🍾🍾🍸🍸🍸 all round! Cheers everyone!

Rosie51 Wed 16-Apr-25 12:25:24

Indeed SueDonim women all over the UK owe WFS the hugest debt of gratitude. This has not been an easy fight and the abuse they've endured has been horrendous.

love0c Wed 16-Apr-25 12:22:49

The fact that this had to be argued in court is utterly ridiculous. There again our PM struggles with identifying and understanding the difference between men and women.

Galaxy Wed 16-Apr-25 12:21:57

They are amazing those women. They make them tough in Scotland wink

SueDonim Wed 16-Apr-25 12:20:31

Glory be! Well done to Women for Scotland for their persistence! 👏👏👏