Will the Supreme Court protect Women's Rights?

Yes definitely Wyllow, because unless it does record in separate categories it will be impossible to tell the effect of hormone therapies, if say, they caused an increase in breast cancer in males, because it f they have been recorded as female up to now the increase would be masked in those statistics. Or an ncrease in heart disease, say, in trans men.

We can’t possibly know anything like this unless sex and trans are recorded accurately.

Thats an eye opener as regards recording of crimes and medical stuff. The medical data needs to include both birth sex and trans status.

Carlotta

And the other good thing Lathyrus is that all the crimes committed for rape, murder, paedophilia, sexual abuse,etc, won't be grouped into the statistics for women's crimes. There's already been 1 murder/attempted murder, 4 Sexual offences with child victims, 3 Sexual offences with adult victims and 2 other violent offences, 1 for Terrorism and 1 for Multiple domestic violence; all by criminals claiming to be transgender, so far in 2025. Not fair to lump them in with female criminality.

Yes. I’m afraid any crime statistic of this century that is sex based, whether crimes by or against, will have to be questioned. And medical data has been compromised so as to be virtually useless in some cases.

None of it is valid I’m afraid.

Doodledog

Also, crimes by TRAs against women aren't counted as hate crimes, as women don't have those 'protections'. Does that mean that we are now the 'most vulnerable group in society?

Yes. Noticeably, even in the section on sexual orientation hate crimes, there is no direct recording of TRA/TW attacks on females. Are they claiming that those attacks, were not hate crimes?

And the other good thing Lathyrus is that all the crimes committed for rape, murder, paedophilia, sexual abuse,etc, won't be grouped into the statistics for women's crimes. There's already been 1 murder/attempted murder, 4 Sexual offences with child victims, 3 Sexual offences with adult victims and 2 other violent offences, 1 for Terrorism and 1 for Multiple domestic violence; all by criminals claiming to be transgender, so far in 2025. Not fair to lump them in with female criminality.

It does rather depend on perspective which changes due to circumstances. There are women who have been impacted mentally by illness that have damaged their bodies. In some cases that can be given back cosmetically and sometimes it can not, like the ability to carry children or a removed body part or their sight. I suppose when you view something like gender dysphoria in the same light and see it cause the same problems, it is different. I don't bring it up to weaponise it but rather consider it as a symptom. Symptoms with a cause.

I’m have to stop doing three things at once but I think the point is clear.

It’ll help the figures a lot.

If 50% of reported trans hate crimes are people reporting that someone they have been misgendered by someone saying him or her ie using the correct pronoun for their sex, well actually it was never a crime after all.

The weaponising of suicide in this debate has been one of the most awful parts of this debates. Hasn't it just. It's felt like the blaming of women, for male's problems, just goes on and on and on and on..... And it's always down to women to find a solution. Gah!

Galaxy

The weaponising of suicide in this debate has been one of the most awful parts of this debates.

Do you really believe that? I suppose I can't take that away from you but for me it is a very pertinent concern, one I have had to live with.

The weaponising of suicide in this debate has been one of the most awful parts of this debates.

Lathyrus3

Thanks for the figures.

It’ll be really interesting to see the future drop in those figures now that it’s not a hate crime to call a transwoman a man or a trans man a woman. And no longer a hate crime to to use a gender appropriate pronoun.

Removed a lot of hate crime at a stroke.

That’s positive isn’t it?

I fail to see how that will help, perhaps there will be a rise in mental health crisis and suicide rates. I simply do not know. I rather hope not.

Thanks for the figures.

It’ll be really interesting to see the future drop in those figures now that it’s not a hate crime to call a transwoman a man or a trans man a woman. And no longer a hate crime to to use a gender appropriate pronoun.

Removed a lot of hate crime at a stroke.

That’s positive isn’t it?

Mollygo

Good Luminance. I’m glad you’re admitting how dreadful the actions of TW and TRA against females have been.

No, I'm not doing that either, that is also yourself.

Good Luminance. I’m glad you’re admitting how dreadful the actions of TW and TRA against females have been.

They can't make misogyny a hate crime, they would never be finished. I wouldn't want that to be placed in the legislation actually I don't think it would make any material difference to the safety of women which is what matters to me.

Mollygo

And when you’ve provided the links so we can look them up, Luminance,
are you saying that it will that make the attacks of TW, and TRA any less serious, or less damaging to women and as we have seen expressed on here, damaging to non violent trans?

No, are you?

And when you’ve provided the links so we can look them up, Luminance,
are you saying that it will that make the attacks of TW, and TRA any less serious, or less damaging to women and as we have seen expressed on here, damaging to non violent trans?

I do feel crimes against women should be reported as hate crimes by any person who discriminates against women.

Not to mention, that is only England and Wales. I am sure someone rather more technically minded could find the full amount.

Also, crimes by TRAs against women aren't counted as hate crimes, as women don't have those 'protections'. Does that mean that we are now the 'most vulnerable group in society?

Well, it seems I had rather underestimated. I will attach below.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2024/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2024

Luminance

You are welcome to look into it but I believe it's averaged over 4000 hate crimes against trans people in the UK this last few years and they are a very small minority group.

Oh. I think it’s only 10. You are welcome to look into it.

If you can pluck a figure out if your own head, so can I😬

Luminance

You are welcome to look into it but I believe it's averaged over 4000 hate crimes against trans people in the UK this last few years and they are a very small minority group.

So no links to the organised marches or protests against transpeople then? We could link to dozens of trans protests against women's groups in a heartbeat.

Can you provide a link or quote your source please Luminance?