Will the Supreme Court protect Women's Rights?

I was worried I had missed a whole section of the debate that involved the building trade Lathyrus

You are welcome to look into it but I believe it's averaged over 4000 hate crimes against trans people in the UK this last few years and they are a very small minority group.

It is a very sad day for democracy when all voices are not represented due to what amounts to a very public bullying and shaming campaign

Tell that to Maya Forstater, Kathleen Stock, Roz Adams, Graham Lineham, Rosie Duffield and Katie Alcock. Their voices were well and truly not represented and they were very publicly bullied and shamed.

Have people been telling someone what their biological sex is when giving them their pronoun? I haven't heard of this before Luminance.

The vast majority of trans people were unobtrusive which is why for decades there hadn't been a problem. The trouble started with those who are the opposite and if the lives of members of the trans community have been damaged in anyway, we and I'm sure they know who is to blame.

Oh god transmitter cement.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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No, just a lot of people who already fear discrimination, being attacked or being targeted should their personal information become available. That is why I feel a lot of empathy as a woman. Knowing that activists do this type of thing and it actually does go both ways. We cannot act like biological women only have been targeted and declare ourselves living in reality.

Oh for goodness' sake, do please link to the marches of placard carrying hordes of women with messages like 'kill a transperson' "punch a transperson' or maybe 'choke on my vulva'.

It isn't acceptable in either case without hypocrisy I'm afraid. I don't accept any of it to anyone in any circumstances. You must know what will simply occur now? Trans people who were growing more comfortable with who they are and not hiding it will simply stay unobtrusive. They will slide under the radar using single cubicle facilities without advertising the fact. They will give you their pronouns without telling you their "biological sex" and you won't always know because our Lord knows I couldn't tell until I was told on many occasions.

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Lathyrus3

Oh right. So you actually knew the answer and didn’t need to ask the question.

It is a very sad day for democracy when all voices are not represented due to what amounts to a very public bullying and shaming campaign.

Absolutely. Couldn’t agree more.

You are talking about how the transmitter cement has treated women.

Right?

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It is a very sad day for democracy when all voices are not represented due to what amounts to a very public bullying and shaming campaign
Like that very public and bullying campaign carried out towards women by TW, TRA and over the recent years, also by public bodies and governments. It has been absolutely dreadful.

For once I agree with your statement, Luminance though it did need the clarification that I added, since you had omitted it.

Are you referring to the very public bullying and shaming campaign that those who've been correctly saying that a trans woman is a man have been subjected too Luminance?

No-one must give air to any voice?

What is that in English, please?

No, just a lot of people who already fear discrimination, being attacked or being targeted should their personal information become available. That is why I feel a lot of empathy as a woman. Knowing that activists do this type of thing and it actually does go both ways. We cannot act like biological women only have been targeted and declare ourselves living in reality.

More hogwash

Luminance

This was a case brought by Scottish women who do not believe trans women are women against the Scottish Government which is not trans. Trans organisations were advised by their legal teams that they were in danger of harassment and intimidation by news outlets and the public. As no case was brought directly against them, it would make no difference.

What a load of hogwash.! What do the trans organisations think those three Scottish women have suffered for the years they've been fighting for this clarification? The harassment, intimidation and foul abuse women have been subjected to apparently amounts to nothing. What a load of cowards.

Lathyrus3

Oh right. So you actually knew the answer and didn’t need to ask the question.

It is a very sad day for democracy when all voices are not represented due to what amounts to a very public bullying and shaming campaign.

Oh right. So you actually knew the answer and didn’t need to ask the question.

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Cancel culture is the shunning and disapproval of someone's action or words.

Yes that is how I understand it. It's clear to me that no one must give air to any voice. In the same way, the courts did not air any trans voices correct?

Do you mean the Supreme Court? They didn't hear from any individuals. FWS is an organisation and a couple of other organisations intervened on their behalf. The Scottish government fought for the trans side (fully taxpayer funded) and had Amnesty International intervene on their behalf.

This was a case brought by Scottish women who correctly stated that trans women are not women because it's a fact, not a belief.

This was a case brought by Scottish women who do not believe trans women are women against the Scottish Government which is not trans. Trans organisations were advised by their legal teams that they were in danger of harassment and intimidation by news outlets and the public. As no case was brought directly against them, it would make no difference.

Just seen your subsequent post @ 17.19 Lathyrus which is probably why.

I wonder why they didn't Lathyrus.

Lathyrus3

They were invited to take art but no trans organisation or individual accepted,.

It was up to them.

Like the trans sports events set up that trans chose not to compete in.
You can’t make people take part in something.

Probably because they were told threats and abuse wouldn’t be accepted as evidence

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They were invited to take art but no trans organisation or individual accepted,.

It was up to them.