Will the Supreme Court protect Women's Rights?

In 1980 (yes, a long time ago), my husband was in a mixed sex ward - with bays - also recovering from a subarachnoid hemorrhage, easybee. In his confused state he would wander back from the bathroom stark naked. Also, occasionally he would go to the wrong bay and climb into an empty bed convinced it was his. One elderly lady was terrified when she came back from the loo.
(He was so much trouble they sent him home well before they should have).

I was in a mixed sex ward when I had a Subarachnoid hemorrhage with no problems whatsoever, near to the main desk and my privacy respected absolutely; I was moved after several days to a side ward, women only, and for two hours to a private room which had to be given up for a child.
When I had a slight stroke 7 years I was in a more modern ward like a very long corridor which was not comfortable at all, with much through traffic and no apparent boundaries. During my three day stay I was in three different wards , plus the recovery ward. Not restful at all.
However, the care was excellent both times and that is what counts.

Doodledog

I think that most people would much prefer to be in a single room than on a ward. I certainly would - the thought of being on a ward fills me with dread.

My understanding is that nurses don’t like them, as they can’t see if someone has fallen, and have to do more deliberate checks on patients who can’t be watched from a central point.

I certainly did, Doodledog - it was a twist of fate that in my last bowel op it was found I had very very mild MRSA and a single room.

It's a really difficult one as the old style big wards (which allowed for easier observation) have been being replaced by 4 room bays in large overall wards for some time.

Which hopefully will reduce the dilemmas around trans care as well as other special needs .

I've seen newer designs where the 4 bed bays have semi walled divisions not just curtains.

It's all resources tho, isnt it? Our local biggest hospital is still using the old 12 to 14 bed wards. Yet some people like them, having lots going on and people close by.

I think that most people would much prefer to be in a single room than on a ward. I certainly would - the thought of being on a ward fills me with dread.

My understanding is that nurses don’t like them, as they can’t see if someone has fallen, and have to do more deliberate checks on patients who can’t be watched from a central point.

Yes I believe this has to happen too and many people do feel more comfortable in a secure space than on a ward. I remember the days that a room was a paid for privilege too well. It will not happen over night but in due time.

This is an issue that won't go away. Of necessity, discussion and measures have been taken to protect womens spaces but the logic of only assessing spaces related to birth sex as I've queried on another thread is for example the effect for all of having apparent men on womens wards.

Whether is acceptable or not we have to provide third or neutral spaces or we have nothing to point trans people towards in terms of "well, this what you can use.

Luminance

In some circles there are a lot of concerns about how trans men will be impacted by this. According to the ruling they can be excluded from men's facilities or wards. This may mean they are excluded from women's safe spaces too because of their appearance. It may cause all sorts of issues if people see someone who appears male walking into a woman's facilities. How on earth the NHS, refuges and trans men themselves are supposed to overcome that I don't know. A whole section of biological women will not be able to enter safe spaces where their appearance may make other biological women feel uncomfortable. Quite a quandary I feel. How could this be resolved?

This could be resolved by having third spaces, the question is if that would be acceptable to transmen.

Smileless2012

^There are some not very nice people on this thread.....^ can't stand comments like this Syracute. If you're not prepared to be specific then probably better to say nothing.

Syracute, have you ever thought of yourself as one those not very nice people, when you read your posts?

There are some not very nice people on this thread..... can't stand comments like this Syracute. If you're not prepared to be specific then probably better to say nothing.

eazybee

Deliberate obfuscation; deja vu indeed.

Spot on

Deliberate obfuscation; deja vu indeed.

Yes indeed, so many of us recognising we’ve been here before

I had these vague feelings and a good GN friend has helped clear the fog Perhaps we can 'all sit together' or is that just 'The Frog Song'? Oops no that was 'we all stand together'.

Luminance

I remain quite unbothered. When people show me who they are I believe them.

I have this déjà vu feeling.

Carlotta

^When people show me who they are I believe them.^

Now that sounds familiar.......

Indeed. 😁

Luminance

I remain quite unbothered. When people show me who they are I believe them.

Oh yes. So do I. And when I feel I’ve met them before I trust my instincts.

It's probably best to start a new thread Water69. If you go to Active Discussions, scroll down to Chat or Ask A Gran, click on it and it gives you the option to start a new thread of your own.

This is a question about long distant grand parents. Not sure where to post it. Help please?

When people show me who they are I believe them.

Now that sounds familiar.......

As I stated, I don't know. Perhaps we can think of something together?

And your solution?

In some circles there are a lot of concerns about how trans men will be impacted by this. According to the ruling they can be excluded from men's facilities or wards. This may mean they are excluded from women's safe spaces too because of their appearance. It may cause all sorts of issues if people see someone who appears male walking into a woman's facilities. How on earth the NHS, refuges and trans men themselves are supposed to overcome that I don't know. A whole section of biological women will not be able to enter safe spaces where their appearance may make other biological women feel uncomfortable. Quite a quandary I feel. How could this be resolved?

I remain quite unbothered. When people show me who they are I believe them.

Luminance

I find it all rather irrational. Are we here to argue or discuss?

But your statements aren’t a discussion or an argument. They seem more a series of unconnected statements which don’t appear to make sense.
Incidentally, where is the evidence of the accusations you make of people saying you are TRA for example.
Or are your accusations just more light purple prose?

Luminance I’m trying to understand your posts but finding it increasingly difficult. At first glance I find your faux innocent face inability to give straight comments ‘interesting’