Sudan.

Is the journey to Europe more perilous than staying in Sudan?

Debatable.

I’ve tried and largely failed to understand the cause of the current war in Sudan. It seems to be the classic colonial history and conflict about land, ethnic/racial tensions and fight for power between paramilitaries, military and rebel factions.
It’s clear rape has an integral part in this conflict.

As for the usual demands to know why families combine any wealth to try and support their most fit/educated young man to attempt the perilous journey to Europe -try to imagine the choice. Do you send your 18 year old neice or nephew? Which of them most likely to be abused on the journey?

Primrose53

Sarnia

We should back off and let them get on with it. We didn't start this war and right now this country has plenty of things that need doing here. Millions pumped into these countries and never any improvement. I doubt those needing it see any of it, if at all.

That’s just how I feel Sarnia. Leave them to get on with it.

We can donate to charities which support displaced, starving people, though.

Many people have fled to South Sudan.

I have been hesitant about donating to specific small charities recently, although I used to do that, but now prefer to donate regularly to the Red Cross.

Sarnia

We should back off and let them get on with it. We didn't start this war and right now this country has plenty of things that need doing here. Millions pumped into these countries and never any improvement. I doubt those needing it see any of it, if at all.

That’s just how I feel Sarnia. Leave them to get on with it.

I think it's a different set of issues as regards giving money to the war ridden North Sudan to South Sudan (and bits of neighbouring countries that have huge numbers of Sudanese).

In South Sudan they are not at war, its huge refugee camps where people are literally starving and its accessible.

But I think we need to try.

I'm glad some charities are getting through.

I heard on French news that far more money was donated from around the world for Notre Dane Cathedral after the blaze than for children in Sudan. I was a bit shocked that donors world wide preferred to give more to a fire in which no one died, than to the poor children dying in Sudan. I think it reflects the attitude of everyday people towards the situation, that it's a lost cause.

Allira

^Millions pumped into these countries and never any improvement. I doubt those needing it see any of it, if at all.^

No, it doesn't. Somehow it gets into the hands of militants.

We have found the only way the money raised by the charity we support will get to the people and the use it’s intended for is to go there and hand it over or to send it directly to the recipient.
The purpose is negotiated with the charity initially and the use is monitored thanks to feedback and progress reports/images from those who are using it.
The internet has greatly helped with that as it’s becoming increasingly dangerous to go over there.

Allira

^Millions pumped into these countries and never any improvement. I doubt those needing it see any of it, if at all.^

No, it doesn't. Somehow it gets into the hands of militants.

It’s a waste of money giving anything directly to Sudan, it can only do the people some good if delivered by means of aid and distribution done by a big charity.Would they be able to do this without the backing of the army factions tho, I really doubt it.
Food and supplies dropped from the air the other way to do it.
I too think that fit men should stay to protect their families and daughters/sisters from rape.Assist their mothers in getting food.
We may have different views on this, but slagging off other posters isn’t the way to go.

Millions pumped into these countries and never any improvement. I doubt those needing it see any of it, if at all.

No, it doesn't. Somehow it gets into the hands of militants.

We should back off and let them get on with it. We didn't start this war and right now this country has plenty of things that need doing here. Millions pumped into these countries and never any improvement. I doubt those needing it see any of it, if at all.

I think a problem for the world or just us thinking it through as far as I can read is that there doesn't seem to be a "good or bad" side to "stand up for".

Both sides have been judged to have committed and are committing war atrocities and have different "backers".

Western countries are damned if they intervene in other countries internal conflicts and damned if they don’t.

I have no idea what the answer to a workable peace could be, cannot see it happening any time soon.

Thers are no political points to be scored here so why try?

Quite disgraceful.

I would do the same for a granddaughter

In a nutshell!
So would I. Anyone would, surely. Save their children before themselves if at all possible. Children, not just sons.

But that is not what is happening according to the horrific news stories recently. I care about the women and children, not just young men.

It is men waging war there.

Thank you Wyllow.

You make the point more far objectively than I did.

I was trying to put myself in the shoes of others who are facing unimaginable torment.

I have an 18 year old grandson and, in the position of people living in Sudan, I would do everything in my power to enable him to escape. I would do the same for a granddaughter.

IMO to describe anyone as ‘cowardly’ for attempting to escape such horror is incomprehensible.

I assume then, those posters would not enable their child / grandchild to escape, preferring them to remain and be ‘brave’.

My eyes are wide open.
Fading from hunger is just one aspect of how little girls - even babies - are suffering.

Perhaps they base their choice on what they know. Is it more likely that in their society a young man would have a better chance of making a living than a young girl. Therefore the man is sent in the hope that he will do well and then be able to send for family.I only know from what I have seen that the situation is more than desperate.Perhaps some posters need to open their eyes more and imagine being in the shoes of the family watching children fade away through hunger.

Oreo

glasshalffullagain

I'm off , I'm leaving this site. I can't take the toxic racism any more.

I’ve read you saying this same thing before yet……

In any case there’s no racism, toxic or otherwise.

No, there is none at all.

Just a need to find out why the young men flee leaving the women and children to suffer.
And why the word stands by and allows this to happen

If someone can explain that satisfactorily, but no-one seems to have the answers.

So 'Sadie' is a woman from Sudan?
I hope she settles here and fulfils her potential.

Sorry, Wyllow3 - where would we be without brave men who fought in the last war? If they had all refused to go?
The French Resistance (yes, I know, women too).

What is the world doing to help these poor people fight the oppression? Why is it women and girls who are left to suffer? Why not get the women and children out to safety?

If a family decides to send a son or nephew away it can be for 2 reasons as well as the "worst interpretation" of coward:

Because that son or nephew is forced or about to be captured, forced into joining a faction and forced to kill/pillage by that faction. If he refuses then would be shot and of no use to the family and the women in it.

Because of the hope that the most able in terms of making a long journey can in the end rescue other family members.

It’s a mess in Sudan between the warring factions of the Army.

glasshalffullagain

I'm off , I'm leaving this site. I can't take the toxic racism any more.

I’ve read you saying this same thing before yet……

In any case there’s no racism, toxic or otherwise.

I'm off , I'm leaving this site. I can't take the toxic racism any more.

I can hardly be bothered but I'll give it a go.

I encountered Sadie in an " Asylum Hotel" some time ago. She immediately offered her skills to help out on a project and we became friends. She was from Sudan and had been a civil engineer and ran huge humanitarian projects. As her life was at risk , she had no choice but to get out.
The courage and tenacity and backbone was utterly outstanding.
Despite being treated like absolute by SERCO and later housing officers, she persisted and persisited.

She is a person as I am a person. A person with talent, ambition and more courage and integrity in her little finger than many.

X post Primrose

I could weep for those women and children.
There was one brave man shown last night on TV, trying to set up community kitchens, dodging the bombs and bullets.

What is the world doing about it?