RIP Kathleen

Ilovedogs22

That's a little bit pedantic FriedGreenTomatoes!
People come on to Gransnet for the social interaction & interesting debate.
They certainly dont come here for a
critical dissection of their grammar! 😏

Totally agree, lack of empathy

I don’t know what is on my daughter’s death certificate, she took her life 7 years ago ,

My sister had died by suicide on her death certificate, amongst other things that contributed to her death- but she was on life support for a month.

That's a little bit pedantic FriedGreenTomatoes!
People come on to Gransnet for the social interaction & interesting debate.
They certainly dont come here for a
critical dissection of their grammar! 😏

BlueBelle

Well reprimanded Georgesgran I wrongly presumed it was someone famous 🤣
Every day people who are overwhelmingly distraught through mental health, break ups, loss, poverty, drugs, pain, seeing no light, use suicide to escape this could have been avoided there is help out there there is advice, the family only knew the surface, she probably didn’t want to bother them with her troubles, but they now have a life sentence of ‘what ifs’
Suicide is a living hell for those left behind

Absolutely. We feel this everyday as a family going through a suicide.

Grammaretto

Mt61
Suicide is always a tragedy whatever leads to it.
Many attempt but don't succeed as I discovered when collecting a loved one from hospital after a failed attempt.

🫂

FriedGreenTomatoes2

We no longer say ‘committed suicide’ as it’s no longer a criminal offence.

Youre right FGT. Apparently "took their life, died by suicide, or lost their battle with mental illness"are more appropriate terms nowadays. I always feel sad when someone feels the only way out is this way, what pain they must have been in.

Please if anyone feels low please seek help. Ring the Samaritans, or talk to someone about the debts.
We've all been low at times.
Help is out there.

Well reprimanded Georgesgran I wrongly presumed it was someone famous 🤣
Every day people who are overwhelmingly distraught through mental health, break ups, loss, poverty, drugs, pain, seeing no light, use suicide to escape this could have been avoided there is help out there there is advice, the family only knew the surface, she probably didn’t want to bother them with her troubles, but they now have a life sentence of ‘what ifs’
Suicide is a living hell for those left behind

Mt61
Suicide is always a tragedy whatever leads to it.
Many attempt but don't succeed as I discovered when collecting a loved one from hospital after a failed attempt.

It can be difficult to seek the help Growstuff, when you are at rock bottom.

My sister died by suicide due to the bedroom tax, my parents tried to help but to no avail, she was too proud to accept help.
Maybe that’s why I get cross when some people get it all handed on a plate.

Sorry BlueBelle but have you even read the OP? It explains about Kathleen and as I was unaware of this lady, I simply Googled her name and read about her.
Pointless just asking who she is.

Kathleen Moore

www.thesun.co.uk/news/34577338/mum-took-own-life-mortgage-rise-benefits-rejected/

Who is Kathleen ?

Thank you JaneJudge. I'm glad they seem sensible because I speak from experience. When I was experiencing the same thing, I wish I'd have known what I know now. If I could turn the clock back, I'd love to take Kathleen by the hand and lead her through the options and show that even losing your house isn't the end of the world (and life). there are organisations out there which can help and I think I mentioned Martin Lewis' booklet earlier.

growstuff, you have made some really sensible posts on this thread. The overwhelm of debt and financial problems is horrific for people to cope with and there is still associated shame. Like you say, it affects lots of people.

RIP Kathleen

R.I.P.Kathleen.

R.I P .Kathleen.

Mt61

It’s terrible, especially when migrants are getting housing for free. Absolutely disgraceful.

Kathleen's situation and mental health had nothing to do with migrants. As has been explained, she could have kept her house, if she'd been given the right advice.

It’s terrible, especially when migrants are getting housing for free. Absolutely disgraceful.

ronib

I have a bad feeling that support for mental health is under a lot of pressure and that for some people, more intervention is needed. Wes Streeting hopefully will be aware of this problem and I hope for some change.

Debt requires a different kind of support from other mental health problems. No amount of CBT or anti-depressants is going to solve debt problems. People need somebody to help them think through things rationally and to make some phone calls, if necessary. There are solutions for people in debt, even if it means making serious lifestyle changes and opening up to people about problems.

I don't really know why the DM has picked up this particular case. There must be thousands of people in similar situations. The fact is that unemployment benefit is woefully inadequate. This lady had osteoporosis, which I wouldn't have thought made her eligible for PIP and I'm not sure why she was turned down for Universal Credit - maybe the income from dog-walking and renting out rooms was too high.

I have a bad feeling that support for mental health is under a lot of pressure and that for some people, more intervention is needed. Wes Streeting hopefully will be aware of this problem and I hope for some change.

Martin Lewis has also produced a booklet about mental health and debt, which is available as a free download.

www.moneysavingexpert.com/credit-cards/mental-health-guide/

The problem is that once you get into serious debt, there's a serious downwards spiral in mental health, which makes it more difficult to think and behave rationally.

There are sources of reliable free debt advice eg
Step Change
Turn2Us
Christians Against Poverty