Is the Conservatory Party now an irrelevance?

Mollygo

Grantanow

The Tories need (and deserve) a good many years in the wilderness to reflect on their failings and to wait for a new leader to emerge other than the present hopeless ones.

I agree about the need for a strong enough new leader to emerge, that could mean a Conservative win.
But then, it took Labour 14 years to get back into power, so there’s plenty of time.

There is not likely to be a Tory majority with a strong Reform, if a collation is formed it will move firmly to the right, if you think Starmer is tough you definitely won’t like that.

In 3 yrs time I’m hoping it will be a “normal” election without a lot of tactical voting to get rid of unpopular polititians.

Grantanow

The Tories need (and deserve) a good many years in the wilderness to reflect on their failings and to wait for a new leader to emerge other than the present hopeless ones.

I agree about the need for a strong enough new leader to emerge, that could mean a Conservative win.
But then, it took Labour 14 years to get back into power, so there’s plenty of time.

I voted Conservative in 2019, not out of any love for them, but to keep Corbyn out. Most people where I lived did the same, as he was very unpopular with traditional Labour voters and would have been a disaster if he won. Last election, seeing the mess that followed after 2019 and having no faith in Labour either, I voted Lib Dem, again not out of any sort of conviction.

The Tories need (and deserve) a good many years in the wilderness to reflect on their failings and to wait for a new leader to emerge other than the present hopeless ones.

TakeThat7

I think she needs to meet people more posh or not people to be able to discover what the public actually want

What Conservative voters actually want including those that are voting Reform, my guess is that she will be replaced before the next GE. I’ve no idea who will replace her.

I think she needs to meet people more posh or not people to be able to discover what the public actually want

The leader of the conservatives
Is hard to like I can't get passed the very posh accent .I think she is strong enough though tho get things done

Yes David 49, there was a fair amount of tactical voting, to get the Tories out.
Rumours are circulating that the Tories are plotting to find a new leader. Not really a surprise. Much will depend on who they select.

Four days in, how is it going? Brand new Reform Councillor, Donna Edmunds, has already been suspended. This is how I predict/hope it will evolve.

Casdon

There wouldn’t need to be a revival though David49, with status quo they would have 72 seats, which could well leave them with the cards if any other party wanted to form a coalition?

If Labour continue in the present direction will they be compatible with Liberal ideas?. Will they get as many MPs?.
The last GE was a protest against the Tories will they recover?.

If Labour are successful with the economy it’s likely they will win a majority, if they fail, any combination is possible

Oreo

I didn’t think that was it tho Whitewavemark2 more like it was only certain things being called false narratives.

There are very few examples of completely false narratives,

debate lies around areas where - for example - someones speech is completely re edited and cuts made that totally alter the meaning (plus real or AI images added behind the speaker

Or where its a matter of opinion where there are a lot of "Facts" but only those that suit the video maker's perspective are alluded to

or where a number of statistics are presented as "true" and it turns out the the organisation presenting them has used a couple of accurate ones mixed in with very unreliable sources...

There wouldn’t need to be a revival though David49, with status quo they would have 72 seats, which could well leave them with the cards if any other party wanted to form a coalition?

Whitewavemark2

David49

The Tories ARE going to be a significant force in the next GE, everything depends on the popularity of Labour at that time, if the voter sentiment is negative a Tory/Reform coalition is quite possible.
Everything depends on the success of Starmers policies and how the Reform party develops, of course to stop Reform moving politics to the right a Tory/Labour coalition is possible.
Very uncertain times.

Where are the Libs in your scenario?

We have liberal councillors and a Liberal MP, in a traditional Tory stronghold, the local Tories have been particularly unpopular in recent years, the big issues are planning and building.

Nationally the LD seems wishy washy with little widespread awareness of policies I don’t really see why there would be a revival.

Jane43

Mt61

Sky coverage- I don’t have sky news.

We don’t have Sky but can get Sky News on Freeview, it is channel 233, not that we watch it very often.

Sky news coverage is very easy to find as it's free to read on the internet - just google "Sky News" - no paywall.

The question was about the Tory Party. We have seen center right parties move further right and then lose elections in the UK, Canada and Australia. Perhaps an old fashioned "one nation" right of centre party could survive but, if they chase the far-right it appears, at the moment, they may not.

Mt61

Sky coverage- I don’t have sky news.

We don’t have Sky but can get Sky News on Freeview, it is channel 233, not that we watch it very often.

Galaxy

They were seen as good lies by the other side though, or in some cases lies that served a greater purpose. It is very difficult for people to lecture on the lies of one side when the lies of the other side are plain for everyone to see. It is not the way those against Trump will succeed.

I suspect that this will have certainly been discussed in the post-mortem’s.

If not, then they will pay the price at the next election, although the way Trump is going, and if this continues then a donkey will easily win.

Wyllow3

It just makes me cross with some aspects of Social Media. No wonder people don't vote, it's difficult enough finding the ways around MSM. ..but deliberate falsifying...😡

I don’t really watch too much news, tbh- quite depressing. We got rid of our licence as I can’t stand the bbc.
I would never vote labour after the last labour government. The Tories aren’t any better tbh.

They were seen as good lies by the other side though, or in some cases lies that served a greater purpose. It is very difficult for people to lecture on the lies of one side when the lies of the other side are plain for everyone to see. It is not the way those against Trump will succeed.

I didn’t think that was it tho Whitewavemark2 more like it was only certain things being called false narratives.

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

Galaxy

Do you mean narratives such as men can be women, Biden is fine, puberty blockers are harmless, nothing to see with Bidens son - those false narratives, because I only saw a handful of people raising concerns about those.

Then you are reading or listening to the right stuff.

Come out of your bubble and see the wider world - you will be surprised😊

Your world Whitewavemark2 ?
All the things that Galaxy mentions are valid but posters may want to turn a blind eye to if they’re that way inclined.

They are definitely all valid, but galaxy suggested that they were only discussed to a small degree, and that simply isn’t correct.

Sarnia

midgey

Unless they sharpen up and start talking policies yes I think they are. Reform are not the answer either.

I agree with you. We laugh at the Americans voting for Trump but are we any better? I don't think so.

It's beyond me how anyone can look at America under Trump can think a Trump mini-me would do them personally, or the country, any good at all.

Iam64

Wyllow3

It just makes me cross with some aspects of Social Media. No wonder people don't vote, it's difficult enough finding the ways around MSM. ..but deliberate falsifying...😡

This
It’s like the entire world now follows the Donald’s lead and simply talks nonsense with the clear expectation of being believed

Mmm, like Prince Harry perhaps.

Whitewavemark2

Galaxy

Do you mean narratives such as men can be women, Biden is fine, puberty blockers are harmless, nothing to see with Bidens son - those false narratives, because I only saw a handful of people raising concerns about those.

Then you are reading or listening to the right stuff.

Come out of your bubble and see the wider world - you will be surprised😊

Your world Whitewavemark2 ?
All the things that Galaxy mentions are valid but posters may want to turn a blind eye to if they’re that way inclined.

Whitewavemark2

David49

The Tories ARE going to be a significant force in the next GE, everything depends on the popularity of Labour at that time, if the voter sentiment is negative a Tory/Reform coalition is quite possible.
Everything depends on the success of Starmers policies and how the Reform party develops, of course to stop Reform moving politics to the right a Tory/Labour coalition is possible.
Very uncertain times.

Where are the Libs in your scenario?

I thought that - they will be the desired coalition partners?