Gransnet forums

News & politics

Trump as Pope

(86 Posts)
Esmay Sun 04-May-25 10:47:16

I looked an article in the BBC news with almost complete disbelief.
There's a photo of Trump dressed as Cardinal and a suggestion that he'd like to be Pope .
I am a Catholic .
My family background is Welsh and they are Baptists .
I am C of E as my parents were and attend their church .
I am very much a free thinker and not nervous of challenging things in my church
My Vicar is a friend and also similar in her thoughts .
I find this photo deeply offensive and am appalled by it .
I hope that it's fake news .

Allira Sun 04-May-25 20:30:36

MaizieD

ExDancer

The dictionary explains the word Catholic as "a Greek word meaning 'universal' as used in the CofE creed, so she can be "universal" in her beliefs and stay within the Church of England teachings.
'Roman' catholics are members of the Roman Universal Church if you like.

Some C of E churches actually characterise themselves as 'Anglo Catholic'. The C f E church I attended as a child was very 'high' and now it's website actually says that it is an 'Anglo Catholic' parish.

I am now agnostic, but as I actually volunteer at a former Roman Catholic seminary with a history of 16th & 17th C executions of its priests and am aware of the feelings of local Roman Catholics about its 'English martyrs' I find my former churches claim somewhat distasteful.

The Anglican Creed contains the words:

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic* church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.

*that is, the true Christian church of all times and all places

Casdon Sun 04-May-25 20:11:31

Vainglorious - perfect word choice RosieandherMaw.

RosieandherMaw Sun 04-May-25 19:58:00

lafergar

Oh just stop it. What a load of nonsense. A much loved faith leader dies , mourned by millions, respected by those without faith and this is deemed acceptable?

Charlie Hebdo and a balloon have nothing to do with it. Nothing.

Hear hear.
There is a world of difference between satirical cartoons about a religious leader who had been dead since 632 AD and a man who was buried a week ago, a man whom many had met, respected, and held in the highest esteem.
Nobody is offended by cartoons about Moses and the Ten Commandments or even the rather touching one of Pope Francis humbly creeping through the tradesmen’s entrance at the Pearly Gates , but to endorse a picture of himself as Pope at this time was Trump at his mot vainglorious and offensive,

M0nica Sun 04-May-25 17:56:42

I am looking forward to his photos of Trump as a Muslim Imam and a Jewish Rabbi, not to mention Archbishop of Canterbury, a Buddhist monk and the charismatic leader of one of those American churches where the leader is found, after a number of years, to have harvested a huge fortune from the churches members and to have seduced a series of young (over consent age) members of his congregation, while parading his own fidelity in marriage .

Chocolatelovinggran Sun 04-May-25 17:48:28

Fair point * M0nica *

Shelflife Sun 04-May-25 16:39:51

However this came about, it is deeply offensive. I am not a Catholic but that is beside the point - how low can this monster get !!?

TwiceAsNice Sun 04-May-25 16:11:34

I am not catholic but Im C of E and a regular churchgoer and believe in God. I find this mocking in the extreme and highly offensive. However I am not surprised this man has not ethics or respect for anyone or anything except himself

Ladyripple Sun 04-May-25 16:04:07

He is a revolting human,his wife isa Roman Catholic,I doubt she was amused.

lafergar Sun 04-May-25 15:42:34

I am intelligent enough to see what you are doing. Thanks anyway.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sun 04-May-25 15:40:36

They do though. Think about it a little deeper.

lafergar Sun 04-May-25 15:37:27

Oh just stop it. What a load of nonsense. A much loved faith leader dies , mourned by millions, respected by those without faith and this is deemed acceptable?

Charlie Hebdo and a balloon have nothing to do with it. Nothing.

M0nica Sun 04-May-25 15:36:00

Why did Trump stop at Pope? It shows commendable humility, especially as He knows He is God.

kjmpde Sun 04-May-25 15:35:12

I originally thought that somebody had posted the picture to spite Trump and then found out he had posted it. I knew it was not April 1st but then my husband reminded me that every day with Trump is a joke.
I'm not a catholic but even I find it offensive

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sun 04-May-25 15:31:08

No, I respectfully disagree Maw. Jokes against religion (any time, any creed or belief) are fair game for free speech/cartoonists/comedians.

“Je suis Charlie” comes to mind.

I can however understand your take on it and that’s fine.

There is no Pope at present. Yes some people are mourning Francis.

However the papal vestments are hung up in a wardrobe right now and the idea sparked a joke. In poor taste? Perhaps. But as with Charlie Hebdo, perhaps not.

RosieandherMaw Sun 04-May-25 15:22:18

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Look out for orange smoke from the Vatican if Trump is elected?

Oh come on, Dave Allen (Catholic himself) regularly mocked the RC church.

I think there’s a difference between somebody inside an organisation telling the “joke” and somebody outside.
Some of the best Jewish jokes are told by Jewish comedians, likewise the best Irish jokes or Aberdonian jokes in Scotland.
It puts me in mind of a family - I may criticise or be flippant about somebody I am fond of but God help anybody outside my family trying to do likewise.
There’s also the question of taste - this is dubious at best. Pope Francis died just two weeks ago, mourned by millions.
Now he is trivialised by the most trivial of so-called world leaders., a man without decency or respect and who deserves little in return.
No there are some red lines and this crosses one by miles.

Aldom Sun 04-May-25 15:15:29

True, Dave Allen mocked the Roman Catholic church.
I think this is a different situation.
Pope Francis has recently died. Mockery at a time of deep sadness and mourning is utterly disrespectful in my opinion.

AuntieE Sun 04-May-25 14:49:29

I saw a similar joke photo - and found it in poor taste, but was not offended by it, and I am a practising Catholic.

After all, it is never going to happen. Trump is not a Catholic, which rules him out. Strictly speaking any Catholic male can be chosen - a pope does not have to be a cardinal, but traditionally popes were cardinals prior to their elevation to the Throne of St. Peter. They DO need to be pious, sound theologians and good at politics and diplomancy and have a reasonable knowledge of their own limitations. Concern for the poor, the homeless and the disadvantaged generally speaking, and concern for the environment are probably in the job description too.

Do any of these requirements bring Trump to the forefront of your minds?

No, I thought not.

Whoever thought up that joke, was surely not intending to insult Catholics, or the Catholic Church, but make the statement that he or she does not believe there are any bounds to Trump's self-conceit, or delusional belief in his abiltily to do any job on earth better than whoever is actually doing it right now.

There is also a joke going the rounds, that we have arrived at the Day of Judgement, and Trump is standing before the Almighty asking, "Why are you sitting in my seat?"

Blasphemous or funny? Take your choice.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sun 04-May-25 14:44:13

Look out for orange smoke from the Vatican if Trump is elected?

Oh come on, Dave Allen (Catholic himself) regularly mocked the RC church.

RosieandherMaw Sun 04-May-25 14:38:18

ExDancer

The dictionary explains the word Catholic as "a Greek word meaning 'universal' as used in the CofE creed, so she can be "universal" in her beliefs and stay within the Church of England teachings.
'Roman' catholics are members of the Roman Universal Church if you like.

Nothing new or relevant in this.
Eggs, sucking, grannies.

RosieandherMaw Sun 04-May-25 14:36:55

Daddima

Someone ( not Trump) sent me this one. I laughed.

What is funny about it?

Aldom Sun 04-May-25 14:33:17

Esmay

Sorry Aldom .
Not wearing my glasses !
C of E !

Thanks Esmay smile flowers

Daddima Sun 04-May-25 14:19:56

Someone ( not Trump) sent me this one. I laughed.

TerriBull Sun 04-May-25 14:18:00

I was very much imbued, being brought up a Catholic, CofE protestants were nothing to do with us, the Irish nuns at our school, once the non catholics had filed out of earshot of course, in hushed tones they were prone to utter "you see girls, if you should go into a CofE church, God isn't there" they loved to keep those divisions going, only their stockings were holy, saw such a hole when we caught a glimpse of ankle shock

Chocolatelovinggran Sun 04-May-25 14:10:56

Mr Trump has suggested that he might be expecting the Nobel Peace Prize soon, so perhaps after that he is looking at becoming a Saint. A papal stint could help him to achieve this.

MaizieD Sun 04-May-25 14:06:24

P.S. Trump is disgusting...