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Trump as Pope

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Esmay Sun 04-May-25 10:47:16

I looked an article in the BBC news with almost complete disbelief.
There's a photo of Trump dressed as Cardinal and a suggestion that he'd like to be Pope .
I am a Catholic .
My family background is Welsh and they are Baptists .
I am C of E as my parents were and attend their church .
I am very much a free thinker and not nervous of challenging things in my church
My Vicar is a friend and also similar in her thoughts .
I find this photo deeply offensive and am appalled by it .
I hope that it's fake news .

Maremia Mon 05-May-25 16:55:26

I think the long white costume, with the tall pointy hat, and peep hole eyes, would be more his style.

Labradora Mon 05-May-25 14:13:45

Homestead62

Totally disrespectful but not surprising. However, it may have been a very different outcome had he done this with other religions.

You said it , Homestead 62.
Man's a moron but , curiously, not mad enough to provoke those who consider that the concepts of blasphemy or apostasy confer the right to murder other people.

Homestead62 Mon 05-May-25 10:21:41

Totally disrespectful but not surprising. However, it may have been a very different outcome had he done this with other religions.

Esmay Mon 05-May-25 10:03:26

Sorry Terribull .
Aldom pointed out the same thing .
I wrote it without my glasses and thought that I'd checked it properly .
I'm C of E not Catholic .

Grannynannywanny Mon 05-May-25 09:30:41

I read earlier on the BBC website he’s now threatening to reopen Alcatraz to deal with the country’s repeat criminal offenders. Let’s hope there will be cell reserved for him.

Trump orders reopening of notorious Alcatraz prison www.bbc.com/news/articles/cze17n02gego

Dickens Mon 05-May-25 08:44:25

Trump's ego seems to be in a permanent state of competition with anyone and anything existing outside of the hallowed, adoring circle of his supporters and backers who have created an alternative world - a Trump world - for him.

Apart from the lack of self-awareness that allows him to post the AI generated image on Truth Social, and the inability to understand the finer points of social and cultural etiquette which appear to be part of his trademark - I wonder if it was the case that he felt the late Pope Francis was getting too much attention from too many quarters, so he had to muscle-in on it. A bit like a precocious child who momentarily, losing the attention of its adoring family, does something outrageous to re-focus it back on him.

Curlywhirly Mon 05-May-25 08:17:54

lafergar

www.youtube.com/watch?v=98yif1uUPug&lc=Ugz3etWOyMgUt3_djFB4AaABAg.AHJhhxfOsXyAHi3n0S0_bn

Nothing to say really

My word, doesn't Obama's speech bring into sharp relief just how ignorant, inarticulate, undiplomatic and undignified Trump is.

lafergar Mon 05-May-25 07:03:59

www.youtube.com/watch?v=98yif1uUPug&lc=Ugz3etWOyMgUt3_djFB4AaABAg.AHJhhxfOsXyAHi3n0S0_bn

Nothing to say really

mae13 Mon 05-May-25 03:45:09

lemsip

It is of course AI generated.. he posted it though.

Yes, apparently he gave the image the thumbs up. Readily.

The man with the most unbelievable ego on the planet.

Daddima Mon 05-May-25 01:52:41

RosieandherMaw

Daddima

Someone ( not Trump) sent me this one. I laughed.

What is funny about it?

I laughed because Trump is constantly boasting that he does everything better and knows more about everything than anybody. Like here-

youtu.be/sR3f95BGIiA?si=hkq2EzBEHmAnRGsn

Allira Sun 04-May-25 22:53:26

Several hundred years ago.
Just as Roman Catholics persecuted Huguenots and forced them from their homes to take refuge here.

I could go on but I'm sure people understand that crimes were and are committed in the name of religion the world over.

MaizieD Sun 04-May-25 22:47:43

Allira

MaizieD

ExDancer

The dictionary explains the word Catholic as "a Greek word meaning 'universal' as used in the CofE creed, so she can be "universal" in her beliefs and stay within the Church of England teachings.
'Roman' catholics are members of the Roman Universal Church if you like.

Some C of E churches actually characterise themselves as 'Anglo Catholic'. The C f E church I attended as a child was very 'high' and now it's website actually says that it is an 'Anglo Catholic' parish.

I am now agnostic, but as I actually volunteer at a former Roman Catholic seminary with a history of 16th & 17th C executions of its priests and am aware of the feelings of local Roman Catholics about its 'English martyrs' I find my former churches claim somewhat distasteful.

The Anglican Creed contains the words:

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic* church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.

*that is, the true Christian church of all times and all places

I’m absolutely aware of the words of the Creed, having said it every Sunday for years. I also know about the claim of the Anglican church to be part if the Apostolic succession, by virtue of priests in the Henrican church having been ordained in the Roman Catholic church before seceding from papal authority in obedience to Henry VIII.

That this church then acquiesced to the murder of Roman Catholic priests over the next 100 years while claiming to be inheritors of the same divine authority I find quite distasteful. That’s all.

Allira Sun 04-May-25 22:37:43

RosieandherMaw

I could not agree less. @keepingquiet
Those of the Anglo-Catholic (NOT "Anglican Catholic) persuasion are more than aware that their church is not the Roman Catholic Church despite the many similarities in the liturgy.
I also doubt very much if Eastern European worshippers suffer any confusion

The term "mass" is not the unique preserve of the Roman Catholic nor is the title "Father".
In the military the term "Padre" (Italian for Father) is universally accepted for chaplains of whatever denominstion.
I think you may underestimate some people.

Well said RosieandherMaw

The term has been used for at least two hundred years, probably to emphasise the difference between the Anglican Church and the growing Protestant non-Conformist movement.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sun 04-May-25 22:25:50

Again (respectfully) Maw you miss the point of the joke (meme).

At present - until after the Conclave - there IS no successor. Hence the papal vestments are ‘empty8 and waiting to be ‘filled’. So your analogy regarding the Coronation in WA doesn’t hold water - as the successor is always ‘in place’.

Norah Sun 04-May-25 22:15:00

RosieandherMaw

FriedGreenTomatoes2

There is a world of difference between satirical cartoons about a religious leader who had been dead since 632 AD and a man who was buried a week ago, a man whom many had met, respected, and held in the highest esteem

Nobody was mocking Francis. He is mourned by many.
The position of Pope is ‘up for grabs’ to put it bluntly. Hence the meme.

You conflate the two.

He was mocking the office and given the Pope's recent death, by extension Pope Francis himself.
How would you - would we have reacted to a photocopied image of a Coronation in Westminster Abbey with Trump's head bearing the Imperial crown?

This.

RosieandherMaw Sun 04-May-25 22:01:56

That was meant to be photoshopped but my mobile doesn't seem to recognise the word.

RosieandherMaw Sun 04-May-25 21:44:03

FriedGreenTomatoes2

^There is a world of difference between satirical cartoons about a religious leader who had been dead since 632 AD and a man who was buried a week ago, a man whom many had met, respected, and held in the highest esteem^

Nobody was mocking Francis. He is mourned by many.
The position of Pope is ‘up for grabs’ to put it bluntly. Hence the meme.

You conflate the two.

He was mocking the office and given the Pope's recent death, by extension Pope Francis himself.
How would you - would we have reacted to a photocopied image of a Coronation in Westminster Abbey with Trump's head bearing the Imperial crown?

Norah Sun 04-May-25 21:26:03

RosieandherMaw

I could not agree less. @keepingquiet
Those of the Anglo-Catholic (NOT "Anglican Catholic) persuasion are more than aware that their church is not the Roman Catholic Church despite the many similarities in the liturgy.
I also doubt very much if Eastern European worshippers suffer any confusion

The term "mass" is not the unique preserve of the Roman Catholic nor is the title "Father".
In the military the term "Padre" (Italian for Father) is universally accepted for chaplains of whatever denominstion.
I think you may underestimate some people.

Agreed.

I suspect people do know what they believe and why, whether Roman Catholic, Anglo Catholic, Eastern Orthodox Christian, or Anglican. I know precisely what I believe, if I was confused I'd ask.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sun 04-May-25 21:23:34

There is a world of difference between satirical cartoons about a religious leader who had been dead since 632 AD and a man who was buried a week ago, a man whom many had met, respected, and held in the highest esteem

Nobody was mocking Francis. He is mourned by many.
The position of Pope is ‘up for grabs’ to put it bluntly. Hence the meme.

You conflate the two.

RosieandherMaw Sun 04-May-25 21:10:22

I could not agree less. @keepingquiet
Those of the Anglo-Catholic (NOT "Anglican Catholic) persuasion are more than aware that their church is not the Roman Catholic Church despite the many similarities in the liturgy.
I also doubt very much if Eastern European worshippers suffer any confusion

The term "mass" is not the unique preserve of the Roman Catholic nor is the title "Father".
In the military the term "Padre" (Italian for Father) is universally accepted for chaplains of whatever denominstion.
I think you may underestimate some people.

Deedaa Sun 04-May-25 20:59:53

I would class myself as an agnostic, but this makes me really, really hope that there is a God.

keepingquiet Sun 04-May-25 20:57:00

As a Roman Catholic I have to say there is some confusion about using the term Catholic, if in fact you are referring to being Anglican Catholic, which is not in full communion with the Roman Catholic church.

I find myself having to point this out more and more, especially when some people think they are attending Mass in an Anglican Church and thinking it's the same as a Roman Catholic Mass, which it isn't.

I think the Anglican church is a little disengenous about this a times- often on their web-sites which say they are Catholic churches and even give times for Mass and other devotions which mislead people into thinking they are Roman Catholic when they aren't.

I think this is becoming more of an issue when we have people who don't know the language very well, and also appreciate English history even less.

I suspect there are many people from eastern Europe for example or even further who think they attend a Roman Catholic church when they don't.

Norah Sun 04-May-25 20:53:31

RosieandherMaw

The Anglican Creed contains the words:

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic* church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.

And how many thousands of times have some of us said that?

The Apostles Creed, which our Catholic Church uses has the same words, precisely the same. Indeed, prayed thousands of times.

CanadianGran Sun 04-May-25 20:53:12

What I fail to understand is how this happens. I think he is a madman, but I'm betting he has neither the knowledge or time to create an AI generated photo, and then post it to his website (or where-ever).

Who's actively going along with this, and why? There must be a social secretary who vets any public posts? What on earth...

RosieandherMaw Sun 04-May-25 20:34:02

The Anglican Creed contains the words:

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic* church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.

And how many thousands of times have some of us said that?