Sycamore Gap tree verdict

Oreo

But you have to admit that taking selfies there since the tree featured in a film is in fact part of the outrage from some on SM sites.
I see that if you married there it would be a real blow of course.
I feel for all the trees felled by the moronic, including Councils and building firms who go in heavy when building estates and root out all lovely mature trees and shrubs that border the former fields.

Yes Oreo, let's not forget about the mindless vandalism that is perpetrated by many local councils in the UK.
So many lovely trees cut down without any thought or care in the supposed name of progress & mass development.
Our once lovely country is being raped & pilaged,
God help all the the flora & fauna, not just one tree.
Our green and pleasant land will soon be no more. 🤔

Pathetic individuals, I just feel sorry for their families particularly any children,can just imagine their lives at school…

I don’t care who planted it, it grew there and was beautiful '
there are some of its roots there ,

But you have to admit that taking selfies there since the tree featured in a film is in fact part of the outrage from some on SM sites.
I see that if you married there it would be a real blow of course.
I feel for all the trees felled by the moronic, including Councils and building firms who go in heavy when building estates and root out all lovely mature trees and shrubs that border the former fields.

Anniebach

The poster I replied to said ‘there was nothing special about
the tree other than its age and where it grew’,
So chop down trees, pick flowers , ride motorbikes and quad
bikes through our national parks, all can be replaced

What I meant was that it hadn’t been presented to the country by the King of Persia or planted by Queen Victoria. Of course it was special in it’s own way because it was a living thing of great age. And I cried when I heard of it’s destruction so don’t accuse me of not caring for it. I just think that planting another tree in its place would cheer people up. But feel free to misinterpret my motivation for saying what I did .

I do like the idea of replacing it with a fairly mature tree (with a great shape) with a plaque about its history.

Crossstitchfan

Ziplok

ronib

I read there is to be a mental health assessment before sentencing in July. I wonder why such a report hadn’t been submitted as evidence before the verdict?

Why am I not surprised by this?
It seems that it’s the go to excuse nowadays and makes a mockery of genuine mental ill health. People who are really suffering mental ill health need all the help they can get, but this band wagon element annoys me.

You are so right! ! I have been saying this for ages in previous posts (not just on here).

I wouldn't make too much of this frankly - it's a defense gambit.

"Yes, a defense council can request mental health reviews before sentencing, and the court is legally obligated to consider them"

You have to admit it was a perfect shape for the gap though, MayBee70

Ilovedogs22

Yes mumofmadboys, it is time for commonsense. Social media & mass hysteria are turning people into a moronic gang of stupidity & encouraging a sense of communal, hysterical, overactive outrage!
The men were idiots not ruddy serial killers! 🤔

If some people do not care at all about trees, the environment, the history of this country ie Hadrian's Wall, then it's perhaps understandable that they think others are making an unnecessary fuss about the loss of this iconic symbol of the North-East.

Others do have these feelings and it's wrong to call them a moronic gang of stupidity just because they have soul.

The poster I replied to said ‘there was nothing special about
the tree other than its age and where it grew’,
So chop down trees, pick flowers , ride motorbikes and quad
bikes through our national parks, all can be replaced

Being pedantic, late 1800’s could be 1899 in which case it’s about 126 years old🤭
Doesn’t really matter of course.I think MayBee70 is onto something by suggesting another mature tree could be planted there if wanted.
It could be tho, that the sprouting stump is now a real draw to people, who knows?

Anniebach

The tree was special partly because of it age, is it acceptable
for thugs to demolish the countryside because things of natural beauty can be dug up and something similar can be planted in their place

I never said it was acceptable or that the tree wasn’t special in its own way. Just that it would be possible to fill the aching gap left by the destruction of the original tree with a mature tree so people could still take beautiful photographs, make marriage proposals there now instead of waiting 100 years for the original ones seedlings to grow. The man was called William Barron. Just because I think transplanting another tree would take away some of the hurt caused by the trees destruction doesn’t mean that I’m minimising how tragic it was that it was cut down ( which I found heartbreaking).

external not sure where that word came from!

"The National Trust, which looks after the site with the Northumberland National Park Authority, said it was planted in the late 1800s by previous landowner John Clayton to be a "feature in the landscape", external".

So it is probably about 150 years old.

"The Northumberland National Park Authority said the site was its "most-photographed spot", external, and in late 2016 it was crowned English Tree of the Year in the Woodland Trust's awards."

"It was also the scene of marriage proposals, sentimental moments and the scattering of ashes".

Sycamore are ten a penny, yes, but this was not just any old sycamore, because of its unique position, it became an icon, besides which it was on National Trust land.

No it certainly isn’t Anniebach but it’s an answer to those who wish to see a mature tree in that spot.
I don’t think a prison sentence is right at all, unless Councils face custodial sentences and building firms.

The tree was special partly because of it age, is it acceptable
for thugs to demolish the countryside because things of natural beauty can be dug up and something similar can be planted in their place

Why not indeed MayBee70 it’s a good question.

Why can’t they just move another mature tree to the site? There was nothing special about the original tree other than where it grew and its age. They’ve been replanting mature trees for a long time: there’s a company near my partners in Northumberland that specialises in it. The Alnwick Garden has mature trees from other countries. The man who perfected the technique lived not far from where I live and planted mature trees in a local country park in Victorian times.

Ziplok

ronib

I read there is to be a mental health assessment before sentencing in July. I wonder why such a report hadn’t been submitted as evidence before the verdict?

Why am I not surprised by this?
It seems that it’s the go to excuse nowadays and makes a mockery of genuine mental ill health. People who are really suffering mental ill health need all the help they can get, but this band wagon element annoys me.

You are so right! ! I have been saying this for ages in previous posts (not just on here).

JaneJudge

It's interesting as I was speaking to someone who is a law expert and they said they don't think they will be able to charge them with much as at the end of the day as it wasn't even a protected tree

That’s what I thought, without a preservation order on it, it’s just a tree.
There’s a lovely sycamore not all that far from me, probably about the same age 100 years judging by the girth of the trunk and if vandals, either the Council kind, the builders kind or simply members of the public cut it down, there wouldn’t be much comeback, a fine at most.
Interestingly, every time the Wall Sycamore is mentioned it gets older🤔100 years, then 150 years and now 200 years.
I think the first age looks about right.

"The tree will probably by regenerated from a scion taken from the original tree."

The original tree was about 200 years old so nobody alive now will see anything like a mature tree in its place.

Older trees are better for the environment in that they provide soil stability and store more carbon. They are better for wildlife in terms of habitat, food and biodiversity.

M0nica

vegansrock

Well they are both as thick as bricks.

I was just paging down to say exactly the same thing.

I think the best punishment would be to put them in the stocks in the centre of town for a couple of days so that everyone can point at them and laugh.

The stocks for twerps like these two. Good idea...where are those rotten eggs?

Galaxy

It was awful, but Huw Edwards for example received a suspended sentence, I know who I would rather have out in society.

Yes indeed Galaxy, two twits who got carried away. Their certainly not evil monsters such as Edwards.
The tree will probably by regenerated from a scion taken from the original tree.
The two men are idiots not dangerous villains. I hate this mob-rule mentality & this inane trial by social media!
Can nobody think for themselves these days? 😒

I suppose I meant sentencing

JaneJudge

It's interesting as I was speaking to someone who is a law expert and they said they don't think they will be able to charge them with much as at the end of the day as it wasn't even a protected tree

They've been charged, tried and convicted of criminal damage