The U.K. has moved on from Brexit.

I think the UK is probably the most tolerant society in the world for accepting people from anywhere in the world, but when it gets too much, puts pressure on facilities such as housing, the NHS, schools, communities then no wonder voters cry ‘enough!’

Starmer does what he can in view of the voters who voted for Mr Farage and Reform; those voters have to be appeased.

However the general direction Starmer is taking is correct , as we need to defend our country against crime , as part of the European effort.

PoliticsNerd

^I think you’re missing the point PoliticsNerd^

This seems like criticism for criticisms sake, Oreo

The definition of Little Englander, while being correct could be applied to people in any country. An earlier post applauded the French leader for putting France first as good ( which it is) but there will be people in France who dislike any foreign influences just as much.

Quite. Just as I pointed to America, where the same description could apply.

There’s nothing wrong with putting your own country first, as most countries do. Nothing wrong with preferring your own culture or customs either.

There isn't anything inherently problematic but the Little Englander approach but often manifests as a form of insularity that dismisses the positive aspects of foreign influence, fosters intolerance, and resists beneficial change.

A more balanced stance would recognise the value of national pride while embracing openness, diversity, and international co-operation.

I don’t disagree, but as was pointed out by Freya and myself, the ‘Little Englander’ label which is often thrown around quite wrongly, am sure does apply to certain people in all countries.
It isn’t an inherently English concept.

M0nica

Teazel2

MaizieD

Oh, I hadn't read all the way to the bottom of that ranty post. I'd be more than happy to leave the 1Eurovision song contest, but I can't help suspecting that we don't win it because our entries are poor..

Suggesting that it's because of EU 'favouritism is just childish.

Not childish but realistic.

Remarks like that just reflect on the author rather than the actual circumstances.

How rude.

Teazel2

MaizieD

Oh, I hadn't read all the way to the bottom of that ranty post. I'd be more than happy to leave the 1Eurovision song contest, but I can't help suspecting that we don't win it because our entries are poor..

Suggesting that it's because of EU 'favouritism is just childish.

Not childish but realistic.

Remarks like that just reflect on the author rather than the actual circumstances.

Chazz01

The 'neighbours' have their own values, which are not ours.
We voted to leave, but the uniparty globalist establishment (who never wanted Brexit) has done everything it can to make a mess of the whole thing, from N Ireland cock-up, to giving away fishing rights, to extracting finances to support an unelected EU Commission where we have no input, to encouraging unbridled immigration from anywhere the government can find an excuse.
Our own FPTP representatives have refused to ditch the ECHR because rejoining would then make it easier, and so they can use selective negative elements against us to enrage and keep us in confusion.
How does the EU view the UK?
The Eurovision Song Contest gives you a clue!

I’m happy to be corrected on this but I think that just about every point you have raised is unfounded. And N Ireland was always going to be a problem but was totally ignored in the run up to the election because the main focus seemed to be about fishing, because our EU fishing representative Farage had consistently failed to represent us in the EU parliament.

Farage can like everyone identify issues that need resolving. Any fool can do that.

The clever bit is to find how to resolve them to everyone’s benefit.

That is something Farage signally fails to do, and in some instances caused sever harm to the country in the process like Brexit, which has to date lost the country £100billion.

With that sort of money, the U.K. would be in so much better shape, unless the Tory government had managed to make an even bigger hash of things!

We ave to put our Country first, mindful of others of course. Labour seem to want to tackle immigration with the new measures. Not a Labour supporter, not anything now. Farage says a lot of things that people want. He raises the issues and I agree with a lot of them but some I disagree with, not too keen on him.

MaizieD

Oh, I hadn't read all the way to the bottom of that ranty post. I'd be more than happy to leave the 1Eurovision song contest, but I can't help suspecting that we don't win it because our entries are poor..

Suggesting that it's because of EU 'favouritism is just childish.

Not childish but realistic.

I should have read down. I think I repeated much of what you said Cossy.

I think you’re missing the point PoliticsNerd

This seems like criticism for criticisms sake, Oreo

The definition of Little Englander, while being correct could be applied to people in any country. An earlier post applauded the French leader for putting France first as good ( which it is) but there will be people in France who dislike any foreign influences just as much.

Quite. Just as I pointed to America, where the same description could apply.

There’s nothing wrong with putting your own country first, as most countries do. Nothing wrong with preferring your own culture or customs either.

There isn't anything inherently problematic but the Little Englander approach but often manifests as a form of insularity that dismisses the positive aspects of foreign influence, fosters intolerance, and resists beneficial change.

A more balanced stance would recognise the value of national pride while embracing openness, diversity, and international co-operation.

The uniparty globalist establishment is a MAGA term - not even from the UK - used to label both Republicans and Democrats. Bonkers.

Oh, I hadn't read all the way to the bottom of that ranty post. I'd be more than happy to leave the 1Eurovision song contest, but I can't help suspecting that we don't win it because our entries are poor..

Suggesting that it's because of EU 'favouritism is just childish.

I have never understood why Brexit voters are so keen to leave the ECHR. Is it because they think it's something to do with those evil Human Rights lawyers who help asylum seekers successfully challenge Home Office decisions?

Our is it because it has 'Europe' in its title?

If we are all to be sent back to where we came from, which half of me will be sent back to Ireland, leaving my English half in England - and the Irish Republic or Northern Ireland, the Irish is evenly spread between the two, except, the Ulster part had origins in Scotland.

Chazz01

The 'neighbours' have their own values, which are not ours.
We voted to leave, but the uniparty globalist establishment (who never wanted Brexit) has done everything it can to make a mess of the whole thing, from N Ireland cock-up, to giving away fishing rights, to extracting finances to support an unelected EU Commission where we have no input, to encouraging unbridled immigration from anywhere the government can find an excuse.
Our own FPTP representatives have refused to ditch the ECHR because rejoining would then make it easier, and so they can use selective negative elements against us to enrage and keep us in confusion.
How does the EU view the UK?
The Eurovision Song Contest gives you a clue!

I totally disagree. We have more n common with our European neighbours than with that English speaking alien culture thousands of miles away aacross the Atlantic.

As for the uniparty glabalist establishment' Do tell us more, I would love to know who tey are how they work and how they have done all the nefarious things you accuse them of.

If you would prefer the UK to be run by Trumets, I think you will find yourself in a very small minority, even Farage is keeping very distant from them now, now he sees wahat a Trump administration is like.

The 'neighbours' have their own values, which are not ours.
We voted to leave, but the uniparty globalist establishment (who never wanted Brexit) has done everything it can to make a mess of the whole thing, from N Ireland cock-up, to giving away fishing rights, to extracting finances to support an unelected EU Commission where we have no input, to encouraging unbridled immigration from anywhere the government can find an excuse.
Our own FPTP representatives have refused to ditch the ECHR because rejoining would then make it easier, and so they can use selective negative elements against us to enrage and keep us in confusion.
How does the EU view the UK?
The Eurovision Song Contest gives you a clue!

I think most of the people involved with vote leave have been discredited since...Cummings etc

M0nica

The Brexit referendum was lost by a wafer thin majority and mainly because the Brexit campaigners, were spun a web of lies about the advantages Brexit would bring, by a campaign team that included that arch liar, Boris Johnson.

👏👏👏👏👏

I think there’s a huge difference in putting the citizens of your own country at the forefront of any global decisions made that directly affect them and wanting a country to step backwards and blaming cohorts and swathes of people for all the wrongs in their country and wanting to return all non British born people to their country of origin.

Wanting to “bin” foreign aid as, apparently, “we are more important than them”.

Like it or not, Britain is multi cultural (as is Canada, USA, NZ & Australia), imo, we are the richer for this and in the main the advantages of this far far out way the disadvantages.

Let’s remember, once again, many of s live safely in this country purely through an accident of birth!

There but for the grace of god……

Agree absolutely M0nica. We were told much about how lots of money would be available for the NHS following Brexit.
It is the British version of the 5000 dollars that the citizens of the USA are going to receive from Mr Musk's work with DOGE.
Smoke and mirrors ( aka lies ).

PoliticsNerd

twinnytwin

Reporting on BBC this morning that a poll shows almost 1/3 of Labour voters regret voting for them in the 2024 election.

If they can change their minds after so little time they may well change it again. Very mercurial behaviour may well be part of the nature of a smaĺl percentage of voters. It's too soon to think it relevant.

Seems to me, the old "two party politics" is being broken.

About 20 years late in my book.

keepingquiet

Whitewavemark2

I would like to think that it shows what can be achieved when countries cooperate to achieve peace.

Yes, this is what some don't understand- unity is strength!

Can be the opposite too, if unity about the wrong things.

Not in this case, but unity can be the opposite too.

The Brexit referendum was lost by a wafer thin majority and mainly because the Brexit campaigners, were spun a web of lies about the advantages Brexit would bring, by a campaign team that included that arch liar, Boris Johnson.

PoliticsNerd

Freya5

Oh yes, they were called little Englanders come to mind. From many of you on here. Brexit was handled appallingly, we had leaders who did not want us to leave, and were shocked by the outcome. So they did very little to put Britain first. Yet here you are celebrating the fact the France etc put their country first. Shall we call them little Frenchies??

In this post the writers doesn't seem to recognise their own political bias.

Also

Little Englanders: British informal. a person who perceives most foreign influences on Britain's culture and institutions as damaging or insidious.

This is true of many who voted Brexit and the reason such people approve of Trump as he shows the same characteristics. He is an American who perceives most foreign influences on America's culture and institutions as damaging or insidious.

I think you’re missing the point PoliticsNerd
The definition of Little Englander, while being correct could be applied to people in any country.An earlier post applauded the French leader for putting France first as good ( which it is) but there will be people in France who dislike any foreign influences just as much.
There’s nothing wrong with putting your own country first, as most countries do.
Nothing wrong with preferring your own culture or customs either.