The U.K. has moved on from Brexit.

Wyllow3

I shall never forget 2016 and the world turned upside down. Trump elected and Brexit.
OK....my world turned upside down - and not in a good way.

A great year for Putin whose fingerprints were all over brexit (he wanted to destabilise the EU) and Trump (his puppet - primed to inflict havoc on the US)

M0nica

Whitewavemark2

Imo a referendum is valid until it no longer makes sense and is no longer beneficial to the country as a whole.

The 2016 referendum now neither makes sense nor is beneficial to the U.K.

It is time to move on as per the O/P

Thank you WWWmk2

That is entirely academic because there is no chance whatever of rejoining the EU for several decades at least, at that distant time we would have to accept all their rules - we are joining their club.

Starmer will succeed in some concessions but are a third country in their eyes, one of the problems is that concessions have to be approved by all members and the UK is not universally popular

I dont think they were ever all hostile, recognising not all Brits wanted to leave, especially since Starmer elected.

Whats made most difference is post the Trump elections - matters have changed a great deal.

david I think that suggesting that we can’t re-join the EU as a full member is also academic, because no one is suggesting that we do.

What is being talked about is closer ties which is both sensible and possible in these times of uncertainty.

It won’t be without difficulty, but it is a prize worth going for if it helps our struggling economy.

Whitewavemark2

david I think that suggesting that we can’t re-join the EU as a full member is also academic, because no one is suggesting that we do.

What is being talked about is closer ties which is both sensible and possible in these times of uncertainty.

It won’t be without difficulty, but it is a prize worth going for if it helps our struggling economy.

It would be easy to have closer ties with the EU we accept their rules in whatever field, the real issue is that we still want to cherry pick and enjoy the good bits but opt out of other commitments. As before the EU is not going to change anything just to suit the UK, we may have some trade offs that are an advantage to them, they are few and will take a long time to negotiate

There are many third countries that want closer ties with the EU and would be more willing than the UK to accept EU rules and standards.

As for defence the EU has no defence involvement at all, each country contributes to NATO, when the current Trump crisis is resolved, decisions can be made for the future. I do worry about the effectiveness of European defence without US leadership.

Liberal use of the Royal ‘we’ there David49? The key is going to be targeting those areas where we can reach agreements that are mutually beneficial.

Casdon

Liberal use of the Royal ‘we’ there David49? The key is going to be targeting those areas where we can reach agreements that are mutually beneficial.

I could have used “the UK” each time would that be more correct?.

No, as it was the assumptions you were making on behalf of the UK, not the actual use of the word we.

The uk has moved on from Brexit
It certainly has. Now we have more important news: Gary Lineker is leaving the BBC.

Casdon

No, as it was the assumptions you were making on behalf of the UK, not the actual use of the word we.

Was it not a reasonable “assumption” the a the UK wants easier access without accepting EU regulations.

Or how do you see it

According to the news this am, the sticking point is still fishing rights. It will be interesting to see who wins on that one.

And I have the answer.

Yes, French newspapers reporting it as a running battle, with tensions rising.
If Macron can't get what he wants, he runs the risk of the French fishermen going on strike.

(As long as they don't cause chaos at the ports next week!)

Evidently the right to return boat people, which Brexit put a stop to, was never on the table for discussion.
So we can get boats into your waters to catch fish, but not deal with people, is the new deal.

Mollygo

Evidently the right to return boat people, which Brexit put a stop to, was never on the table for discussion.
So we can get boats into your waters to catch fish, but not deal with people, is the new deal.

That’s because this is a TRADE deal, not about migration and asylum seekers.

Mollygo

Evidently the right to return boat people, which Brexit put a stop to, was never on the table for discussion.
So we can get boats into your waters to catch fish, but not deal with people, is the new deal.

Oh dear.

Oh dear indeed.
It’s a trade deal is the new excuse.

Mollygo

Oh dear indeed.
It’s a trade deal is the new excuse.

Absolutely not - you are wrong.

Immigration and trade are quite different. I am sure you know that.

Absolutely! And of course I know the difference between immigration and trade, but it seems UK giving in trade is easier for Starmer to negotiate than UK getting in immigration. So I understand why he has gone for that.

😄😄 no it isn’t either/or.

Starmer has been looking at illegal immigration since he came into office.

What you are asking - that we have the right to return the illegal immigrant is only available if you are a member of the EU.

If you remember we voted not to have that right.

Starmer is trying as you are no doubt aware to deal with the issue, but I think that there was recently some fracas with Albania! It is a really difficult issue, which every country in the developed world is having to grapple

I so agree with*Caleo*.Attlee was the perfect example of the little grey man who just set out to do his best for the British people. No strutting around, no dressing the part, no lies. Farage and Johnson couldn’t hold a candle to him.

Mollygo

Oh dear indeed.
It’s a trade deal is the new excuse.

You are completely wrong, they are entirely different issues.

On a simple level, bit like you going to a fishmonger and moaning that they are not also selling meat!

If you recall, Starmer is even addressing migration in two parts, legal entry and illegal entry.

Starmer is sealing his fate and won’t be PM after the next election.I am beyond angry with him for all the stupid political mistakes since last year at the very point that Labour got back into power after such a long time.I had high hopes last June which didn’t last long.

Let's hope we get something really BIG in exchange, I'm getting narked by him now too. Just when I thought he might put forth strong arguments.

Starmer is sealing his fate

I think he is too.

Rather like Cameron did with the referendum.
He was so sure he would win. But didnt.
That is the only thing I remember him politically for[though my memory is a lot worse than some].