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What is the truth of President Putin's non appearance?

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LovesBach Thu 15-May-25 10:59:20

Having read that Putin is not now engaging with President Zelensky in what were hoped to be peace talks, it did cross my mind that he may be too unwell. There has been much speculation over past years that he has Parkinson's, among other serious diseases, and it has been suspected that body doubles have taken his place at some events where he has been viewed from a distance. It does seem a drastic measure to not appear at these talks - or perhaps he is demonstrating his contempt.

M0nica Thu 15-May-25 19:31:56

Did anyone seriously think that he would turnup? It was obvious from the start that this suggested meeting was merely a way of lkicking the can a bit further down the road to avoid peace talks while claiming he wasn't.

AuntieE Thu 15-May-25 15:48:05

I know as little as the next person why Putin hasn't shown up, but I suspect he never intended to.

If you think about it, he never actually said he would go to Turkey today. He simply commented upon a meeting being arranged there.

He was hoping either to put Zelinsky in the wrong, if he too, does not go to Instanbul, but only to Ankara today, or to keep him hanging around waiting. In other words he wanted to demonstrate his contempt of Zelinsky, whom he and Russia generally have been calling incompetent, undemocratically appointed (nice one comming from Russia!) a Nazi and the person responsible for starting the war.

Second guess, not only mine, but journalists and military experts in Denmark, and I imagine everywhere else: Putin does not want this war to end until and unless he can persuade Russia and preferably the rest of the world too that he has won it.

He is not interested in a cease-fire, or in peace. He wants the entire Ukraine back where he thinks it belongs as part of Russia, control of the Black Sea and probably a treaty with Turkey stating that Russian shipping can at all times sail through Bosphorous, but any other nations that want into the Black Sea do so only on Russia's say so.

There are always rumours that a dictator is dying - I vividly remember the year leading up to Franco's death, and how often and for how long Fidel Castro was said to be dying!

My parents could remember rumours of Hitler's and Stalin's death ages before either of those two died, and I imagine my great-great-great-grandparents heard rumours of Napoleon's while he was still First Consul.

Cossy Thu 15-May-25 15:40:09

sodapop

It's so sad to see President Zelensky and his country being used as pawns by Putin & Trump.
We can only hope for karma.
I also read that Putin was afraid to leave Russia and the Kremlin.

I agree, it’s shameful and downright evil!

sodapop Thu 15-May-25 15:36:13

It's so sad to see President Zelensky and his country being used as pawns by Putin & Trump.
We can only hope for karma.
I also read that Putin was afraid to leave Russia and the Kremlin.

winterwhite Thu 15-May-25 15:32:48

Agree he had no intention of going in person. Will have sent an underling with no authority to agree to anything.
I don’t think he cares much about Trump any more. His conviction is that Ukraine was once an integral part of the Russian empire and he has no intention of letting his sword sleep in his hand. The outlook is bleak

NotSpaghetti Thu 15-May-25 14:35:20

I am hoping that the good faith shown by Zelenskyy will help in Turkey.
Maybe Ukraine and Turkey can talk a bit...
Long shot I know but anything that helps at all is a bonus.

Ladyleftfieldlover Thu 15-May-25 14:32:54

I thought trump was desperate for the Nobel Peace Prize. It won’t be going his way if he carries on as he is now. Putin must be chuckling at this dreadful man’s incompetence. I feel so sorry for President Zelensky. At least he has the backing of most of Europe.

Allira Thu 15-May-25 14:28:07

GrannyGravy13

President Putin was in breakfast news this morning greeting the President of Malaysia in the Kremlin.

I do not think he had any intentions of meeting President Zelensky in Turkey, he is playing both him and POTUS Trump.

Yes.

He is a manipulator and playing games
He and Trump - both arch manipulators.

Wyllow3 Thu 15-May-25 14:26:14

So they are. Trump has just said

'Donald Trump says "nothing's going to happen" on Ukraine peace talks until he and Russian President Putin meet in person".

(BBC news feed)

Labradora Thu 15-May-25 14:03:18

Cossy

He’s playing Trump, they’re both playing their little games at the expense of Zelensky and his citizens. Shame on them both!

You called that right.......

😒😒😡😡

NotSpaghetti Thu 15-May-25 13:57:36

Annoying though.
It was his idea too!

petra Thu 15-May-25 13:54:17

Oreo

As the head of GRU will be amongst the Russian delegation I hope Zelensky won’t be accepting any cups of tea.

And don’t visit any embassies 😥

Oreo Thu 15-May-25 13:44:40

As the head of GRU will be amongst the Russian delegation I hope Zelensky won’t be accepting any cups of tea.

Cossy Thu 15-May-25 13:42:25

He’s playing Trump, they’re both playing their little games at the expense of Zelensky and his citizens. Shame on them both!

Oreo Thu 15-May-25 13:37:28

Smileless2012

I think Putin isn't going to be there for two reasons. He has no intention of brokering a peace deal and he's afraid to leave the security of Russia.

Agree.

LovesBach Thu 15-May-25 13:23:29

annodomini

How can we be expected to answer the question posed at the top of the thread? However, I think that, as much as anything, it's a rebuff to Trump.

There is no question - you are not asked, or expected, to answer, it was simply a passing thought of mine, shared.

rosie1959 Thu 15-May-25 13:23:18

As my gran would say “he’s frit”
Probably afraid someone is going to take a pot shot at him.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 15-May-25 13:16:33

President Putin was in breakfast news this morning greeting the President of Malaysia in the Kremlin.

I do not think he had any intentions of meeting President Zelensky in Turkey, he is playing both him and POTUS Trump.

Smileless2012 Thu 15-May-25 13:02:59

I think Putin isn't going to be there for two reasons. He has no intention of brokering a peace deal and he's afraid to leave the security of Russia.

Wyllow3 Thu 15-May-25 12:50:37

Oh, Trump is playing the same game.

CNN today - he "might" go on Friday". In one moment he blames Zelensky, in the next Putin.

Poor Zelensky, how he has had to fight for his country with these cruel power mad dictators.

annodomini Thu 15-May-25 12:47:39

How can we be expected to answer the question posed at the top of the thread? However, I think that, as much as anything, it's a rebuff to Trump.

MaizieD Thu 15-May-25 12:45:31

I doubt if he ever intended to turn up.

Aveline Thu 15-May-25 11:43:36

Sadly, I agree.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 15-May-25 11:08:00

The truth is probably in your last sentence.

Grandmabatty Thu 15-May-25 11:07:22

I don't think he ever intended to go. He is a manipulator and playing games