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Analysis of the key points to the EU/U.K. deal

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 20-May-25 13:26:01

Grantanow

The OP mentions carbon emissions agreement. I think the key point (which may be more important than some other aspects of the deal) is it enables the UK to export surplus wind power to the EU and import French nuclear power to the UK. This improves energy security, is likely to keep prices down, and probably will attract more investment to the related technology. A good result which the media seem to have missed.

I keep seeing headlines etc about this but haven’t read it and didn’t appreciate the implications.

Grantanow Tue 20-May-25 13:15:30

The OP mentions carbon emissions agreement. I think the key point (which may be more important than some other aspects of the deal) is it enables the UK to export surplus wind power to the EU and import French nuclear power to the UK. This improves energy security, is likely to keep prices down, and probably will attract more investment to the related technology. A good result which the media seem to have missed.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 20-May-25 13:12:42

If you look carefully you will see that much closer cooperation has been agreed and information which ceased with Brexit, will now be passed to our police

Whitewavemark2 Tue 20-May-25 13:11:21

I see that a people smuggler has been jailed for 25 years this week.

winterwhite Tue 20-May-25 13:09:29

Has Farage been asked to state clearly what he thinks were the practical benefits of Brexit, esp those he thinks threatened by the new deal.
The small boats will never be stopped while people are still keen to come. The UK does not have Europe’s sympathy on this.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 20-May-25 13:06:21

We eat a lot of fish in our house, and I have to get it from my local fisherman, as the supermarkets do such a limited choice, so you can tell people simply don’t eat the variety.

When I was working, I once audited a local fisherman’s accounts, and he said that 95% of what he caught went straight to the EU. He’ll be able to do the same again now without all the bureaucracy

Mamie Tue 20-May-25 12:57:37

fancythat

Grandmabatty

The Scottish salmon producers are apparently overjoyed with it and that's our largest exporter to EU so I'm pleased about that

Great though it might be, that is one fish.

I heard a fishmonger say once, that there are as many different fish, as days in a year.

There are, but the export market for salmon is the largest by far. I know from local fishmongers that here in Normandy the spider crabs come from the other side of the channel, because they are not popular in England. I would think that mackerel, bream, monkfish, John Dorey and sole (Dover or otherwise) are also likely.
France is the largest export market for fish caught in the UK.

Casdon Tue 20-May-25 12:44:35

fancythat

Grandmabatty

The Scottish salmon producers are apparently overjoyed with it and that's our largest exporter to EU so I'm pleased about that

Great though it might be, that is one fish.

I heard a fishmonger say once, that there are as many different fish, as days in a year.

We just don’t eat the vast majority of them in the UK though, do we fancythat. We are a conservative bunch

fancythat Tue 20-May-25 12:27:25

Grandmabatty

The Scottish salmon producers are apparently overjoyed with it and that's our largest exporter to EU so I'm pleased about that

Great though it might be, that is one fish.

I heard a fishmonger say once, that there are as many different fish, as days in a year.

fancythat Tue 20-May-25 12:26:27

Whitewavemark2

Those who talk of surrender etc. I wonder what part of the deal they would be willing to take away, once the benefits become clear?

Signing something, almost anything nowadays, for 12 years, springs to mind.
But dont know full details so keeping schuh for noe.

fancythat Tue 20-May-25 12:25:21

I will just dip in too.
I just dont have the same amount of time as some do.

^They will work together in trying to deal with the small boats crossing the Channel and the UK will get ā€œenhanced cooperation with Europol and its European migrant smuggling centreā€.
^

Anyone know what this means in reality?
"Working together" can mean good behaviour as well as bad.
Like I said to another poster on another thread last week, "unity" isnt always a good thing. Depends what they are in unity about.

I feel myself going more "conspiracy theory".
Starting to get more paranoid about politics. And use of words in them[and elsewhere].
Partly comes of being around too many people lately, in real life who, because I know things behind the scenes sometimes, I can see them manipulating people using misleading words.

blue14 Tue 20-May-25 12:00:06

Thank you WWM2 for posting this.
Makes interesting reading.
Youth exchanges and the Erasmus programme is particularly good for young people.

Chocolatelovinggran Tue 20-May-25 11:56:15

Thank you WWM; it's good to look at the trade deal clearly, removed from the frothing - at - the - mouth rhetoric from certain publications.
Given the disaster movie that is the USA now, we are wise to build mutually beneficial links with our neighbours.

Grantanow Tue 20-May-25 11:43:37

It's good news. I don't think we need listen to Tory ravings after 14 years of failure and Reform's line on fishing is clearly ignorant given the renewed access to EU markets for UK fish and shellfish.

Grandmabatty Tue 20-May-25 11:31:36

The Scottish salmon producers are apparently overjoyed with it and that's our largest exporter to EU so I'm pleased about that

Whitewavemark2 Tue 20-May-25 11:19:50

Those who talk of surrender etc. I wonder what part of the deal they would be willing to take away, once the benefits become clear?

Wyllow3 Tue 20-May-25 10:51:08

I feel good about several points as well as the deals for agricultural goods, which is enormous - a boost for farmers and UK food industries.

Also the advances in defence and security, at last gaining access at last to data bases and UK access to a €150bn (Ā£126bn) new EU rearmament financing instrument, known as Safe, which is just about to be agreed by member states.

" efforts on peace-building, crisis management, countering cyber-attacks and other hybrid attacks including threats to subsea cables."

I read the headlines of this mornings newspapers (they are always up on I player and glad to see The Times, the Financial Times, the Guardian, the I independent , Metro, put the deal itsself as a whole as headline news as in the FT "ā€œUK and the U agree post-Brexit re-set of trade linksā€

Other newspapers appear to be criticising the deal as a whole as in "surrendering" "betrayal". I just cant see this, looking at the list of benefits above.

Mamie Tue 20-May-25 10:25:24

Thank you for this thread WWM2. I hope people will read it before making negative comments based on misinformation (or disinformation). I was talking to the manager of our local organic shop here in Normandy today and she said she hopes she will be able to re-order some of the products that have been difficult since Brexit.
The agreement feels like good news for the UK economy and for our family in the UK and our grandchildren in England and in Spain.

winterwhite Tue 20-May-25 09:45:08

Really positive. But disappointing that the duration of the youth experience visas seems to be so short.

The original Erasmus scheme as one of my daughters did it for a university year abroad was a direct student for student exchange between participating universities. No great costs involved.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 20-May-25 08:26:26

Grandmabatty

It looks hopeful doesn't it? The only quibble I have, is that fishing rights are devolved and the Scottish government appears to have been left out of the discussions.

Perhaps you have a different deal with the EU. Ours would have fun out this year. Maybe yours are different?

Grandmabatty Tue 20-May-25 08:21:42

It looks hopeful doesn't it? The only quibble I have, is that fishing rights are devolved and the Scottish government appears to have been left out of the discussions.

Cossy Tue 20-May-25 08:09:46

I’m looking forward to seeing it all pan out and hopefully go further.

Well done KS for at least getting that ball moving

Casdon Tue 20-May-25 07:58:51

I think overall there are some important gains for the UK with these measures. I was pleased to see that prices in the supermarkets are likely to decrease as a result, hooray for that.

I’m very glad that access to the security systems operating across the EU will be restored, I’m assuming this will include the Eurodac database (which I’ve been banging on about for years, sorry).

escaped Tue 20-May-25 07:43:43

Thank you.
I'll dip in ....
In the short term, this is the one that will personally please me and many many others most. Travel and e-gates.
2026 seems reasonable considering all the technology involved.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 20-May-25 07:33:44

It is of necessity a long post, but you can dip into what interests you if you want. Or not at allšŸ˜„

Guardian 20/05/25

Food and drink exports and imports

– fewer checks
This is possibly the biggest reset in the relationship and will draw accusations that the UK is once again becoming a ā€œrule-takerā€ from the EU, with the Conservatives already arguing the deal is a ā€œsurrenderā€.

Under the deal, both sides have agreed to remove the health and public safety checks and certification, and farm products including fresh, meat, vegetables, timber, wool and leather, from so called sanitary and phtyosanitary checks, (SPS).

At a stroke it will mean cheese and sausage makers will once again be able to sell into the EU without health certification, something that killed off many small businesses including wool-sellers in Devon and cheese-makers in Yorkshire.

It will also be a big win for Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, reducing the checks on fresh food going from GB into NI, and will allow Irish beef and cheese-sellers to export to the UK once again without veterinary certification.

Nevertheless, the UK will remain outside the customs union, and Brexit customs declarations will remain. Nor does there seem to be any movement on dual regulation on medicines, veterinary medicines or chemicals, such as paint or household cleaning products.

The communique says: ā€œThe SPS agreement should cover sanitary, phytosanitary, food safety and general consumer protection rules applicable to the production, distribution and consumption of agrifood products, the regulation of live animals and pesticides, the rules on organics as well as marketing standards applicable to certain sectors or products.ā€

Fisheries

The EU and UK have agreed to roll over the existing fishing deal for another 12 years, until 2038, providing access to UK waters for EU fishers.

But crucially, the food and drinks deal means that the fish caught in British waters can now be processed and sold into the EU without veterinary checks, eliminating huge costs created by Brexit.

It also opens the door for shellfish – from crabs and mussels, to shrimp and shrimp products – to be sold into the EU, allowing fish to be caught in the EU, for example in the Irish sea, and processed in Great Britain.

These SPS easements are potentially a big bounce for exporters, given that 70% of seafood caught in the UK is sold in EU shops and restaurants.

Youth exchanges and Erasmus is set to return for British students

The deal to allow young people from both the UK and the EU member states visit or work in each other’s countries for a limited period of time goes further than expected.

In a big win for the EU, it includes a commitment to look at rejoining the Erasmus+ university and vocational exchange programme, something Labour had objected to, largely on the grounds of cost as more EU students tended to go to British universities than Britons went to EU institutions, opening a financial burden to impoverished universities.

The communique says: ā€œThe specific terms of this association, including mutually agreed financial terms, should be determined as part of that process in order to ensure a fair balance as regards the contributions of and benefits to the United Kingdom.ā€

As expected the youth mobility scheme will be named the ā€œyouth experienceā€ scheme to launder some of the toxicity accumulated by the four-year YMS proposed by the European Commission as far back as April 2024.

Details have yet to be agreed, but as part of the ā€œcommon understandingā€, both sides will work towards a scheme that will allow work, study, au pairing, volunteering or travelling for a limited period under a visa programme.

The time limit has not been specified but it is expected to be at least a year, and could be more, depending upon how much the UK can stomach any pushback. Nevertheless Brexiters, including Steve Baker, have said it is a good thing and their objections focus on food health checks rather than youth exchanges.

Closer defence and security

Already in lock-step in relation to the big issues including Nato, Ukraine and the need for Europe to decrease its military reliance on the US, the deal paves the way to further strengthen their partnership.

The main feature is UK access to a €150bn (Ā£126bn) new EU rearmament financing instrument, known as Safe, which is just about to be agreed by member states.

According to the communique it will ā€œhelp the EU and the UK boost support for Ukraineā€ and efforts on peace-building, crisis management, countering cyber-attacks and other hybrid attacks including threats to subsea cables.

Policing

The UK lost its access to a clutch of Europol databases after leaving the EU.

Today, in what the UK is promoting as a sizeable win, the Home Office will once again get access to DNA and criminal records as well as fingerprints and access to vehicle registrations and stolen goods.

They will also explore extending the exchange of data to facial images.

Medicines

There is no specific mention of the regulation of medicines, which Brexit severely disrupted, causing the establishment of a dual regulatory body in the UK and the loss of the European Medicines Agency to Amsterdam.

Nevertheless, there does seem to be scope for cooperation on the development of drugs and drug addiction.

Migration

The two sides will deepen cooperation on migration with the mutual sharing of information.

This has been on the cards for more than two years, allowing British Border Force to get real-time information from authorities in receiving countries such as Italy, Greece, the Balkans and the Canary Islands in Spain.

They will work together in trying to deal with the small boats crossing the Channel and the UK will get ā€œenhanced cooperation with Europol and its European migrant smuggling centreā€.

Touring artists

Despite the protests from Elton John and others, there is still no light at the end of the tunnel for musicians and performers who can only gig in the EU under specific visa arrangements.

Both sides, however, have agreed to ā€œcontinue their efforts to support travel and cultural exchangeā€.

Travel and e-gates

While this has been billed as a big win for the UK, on closer scrutiny nothing is imminent and any access to e-gates in airports for British travellers is unlikely before 2026.

Under the deal there are hopes that there will be a breakthrough to allow British citizens to go through e-gates at European airports.

Currently, some countries allow this, including Portugal and some cities in Spain and France. But it looks like the use of e-gates for British citizens into EU member states will not happen until 2026 when the EU brings in its own version of the UK’s electronic travel authorisation, which will automatically record moves in and out of the EU for all visitors.

Carbon emissions

Both sides have agreed to work towards linking the emissions trading systems of the EU and the UK.