Incident in Water St Liverpool

Iam64

nanna8, you’re judging unfairly, victim blaming really by suggesting if we see racist comments it down to our search history.

Dickens summarises it well. I get history info and photographs of my town. This morning, a photograph of our glorious town hall square in about 1968. It was clean, no rubbish, green spaces and reflected our town in that period. It was wealthy, factories, engineering, manufacturing and many jobs in commerce or retail.
The comments below included many racist comments, blaming the number of immigrants for all that has gone wrong. We have beggars, homeless people, drug/alcohol users etc. there’s no analysis of how things have deteriorated, it makes depressing reading.
I wasn’t looking for it - it’s just there

Apart from comments like that, sometimes you can click on sites called something like "Beautiful Beaches" or "Cute Puppies", which have been deliberately set up by people with ulterior motives (such as racism) to lure people. The Facebook algorithm then remembers you and sends you more blatantly racist posts. Some people realise what's going on and block them; others might think "yes, they've got a point - it is difficult to get a GP appointment or a school place" and they read on. The site owners then know they have a captive audience. However, as you write, some totally innocent sites are used as an outlet for racist comments.

You’re absolutely right Wyllow3 and I don’t think there are excuses just possible explanations for what happened.It shouldn’t be too long before he is charged with something.
I do feel sorry for his wife/partner and three children, as well as those injured.

I know there are no excuses for what he did but I can’t help but feel that he made a split second decision to follow the ambulance and then panicked. Don’t they say that accidents are usually the result of several unlikely events. My first reaction when I heard what had happened was that it wasn’t terrorism but road rage, and I now think that it was road panic. I honestly don’t think that this is a bad person who did something bad but someone who got caught up in a series of events and is feeling absolutely awful about what he did. Again I must point out that I’m not defending what he did and I can’t even begin to say how heartbreaking it is that those poor people were injured.

Allira

Iam64

nanna8, you’re judging unfairly, victim blaming really by suggesting if we see racist comments it down to our search history.

Dickens summarises it well. I get history info and photographs of my town. This morning, a photograph of our glorious town hall square in about 1968. It was clean, no rubbish, green spaces and reflected our town in that period. It was wealthy, factories, engineering, manufacturing and many jobs in commerce or retail.
The comments below included many racist comments, blaming the number of immigrants for all that has gone wrong. We have beggars, homeless people, drug/alcohol users etc. there’s no analysis of how things have deteriorated, it makes depressing reading.
I wasn’t looking for it - it’s just there

nanna8
I have never seen racist posts on my FB feed either.

Perhaps, having typed this, I might well now.

I have never seen racist posts on my FB feed either.

Neither have I seen racist posts on my feed.

FB algorithms will - based on your search / click history - suggest similar groups to those you've looked at - and it's within these groups that the racist posts can appear...

<<<sigh>>>

Thanks Dickens - sigh indeed

Iam64

Thanks Dickens - sigh indeed

Sight?

Really?

Casdon

Allira

Casdon

nanna8

Did he have a heart attack or something ? That sort of thing happens from time to time . I remember someone driving through a garden and into a house once because they had an attack and their foot was down on the accelerator. People panic and it can lead to all sorts of nasty things when cars are involved.

That’s very unlikely, as he would surely have had pain and/or symptoms, and medical needs are dealt with before criminal. He’s been in custody for several days, and he’s obviously been tested for drugs and alcohol.

Not necessarily, although I don't believe that was the case in this instance.
We had a relative who was perfectly fit, driving on holiday but had a heart attack at the wheel. Luckily no-one else was injured. Another friend died recently and unexpectedly from a heart attack without any previous symptoms.

I meant after the event Allira. If he had had a heart attack, his heart would not have returned to a normal rhythm immediately afterwards, he would have received a medical check - so in this case, it’s unlikely that was the cause.

Yes.

Although had it been (which it presumably was not), he may not have had symptoms previously.

Police are due to give an update soon say the BBC.

The man has been charged with various offences and named.

No drugs or drink mentioned.

A request for no online speculation...

‘Paul Doyle, from the West Derby area of Liverpool, has been charged with causing grievous bodily harm with intent, wounding with intent to cause grevious bodily harm, attempting to cause grevious bodily harm, and dangerous driving, Merseyside Police said.’
Sky News.
So if I understand the charge correctly, he deliberately drove into people with the intent of causing them serious harm.

Yes the Police have named the man but I was surprised that they also gave the road that he lived in. Surely this could be dangerous for his wife and family who presumably live there.

Again, Police have made a request for no online speculation...

nanaK54

Again, Police have made a request for no online speculation...

It is not speculation to report what the media say and to interpret your understanding of the charge nanaK54, nor to express concern about his address being revealed.

woodenspoon

No drugs or drink mentioned.

Evidential drug tests have to be sent away and tested - which can take weeks

The roadside drug tests (where they scrape your tongue) are indicative but cannot be used in evidence - in the same way that a roadside breath test cannot be used in court and they have to take the readings on the evidential machine at the police station.

So I would not read anything into the lack of drug driving charges at this stage. They can add them later when the results come in if positive.

So wrong to give his home address, I assume his wife and children live with him

Casdon

nanaK54

Again, Police have made a request for no online speculation...

It is not speculation to report what the media say and to interpret your understanding of the charge nanaK54, nor to express concern about his address being revealed.

You are, of course completely right.

Think it was just my way of gently saying maybe 'leave it alone now'

Again, well done the police for quick action - except revealing the address. Except I suppose that it would have come out and better from official source than SM poking around more speculating.

The neighbours were commenting in this morning's press, so easy to identify where he lived.

Such a shame for everyone concerned his neighbours speak well of him, he’s a former soldier, Royal Marine a family man, a business man, whatever happened to him that day
So sad life will never be the same for him or his family or the people injured
If it’s all down to drugs things really do need to happen in the way drugs and drug taking is dealt with

BlueBelle

Such a shame for everyone concerned his neighbours speak well of him, he’s a former soldier, Royal Marine a family man, a business man, whatever happened to him that day
So sad life will never be the same for him or his family or the people injured
If it’s all down to drugs things really do need to happen in the way drugs and drug taking is dealt with

Oh dear.
Something happened to him to make him act like that.
His poor wife and family as well as those injured in the crowd too.

PTSD perhaps?

Now we know the charges, just have to let things take their course and the court case.
I was surprised too at the police reading out his address and hope the police have now taken his family to a safe house as it certainly won’t be safe anymore.

Anniebach

So wrong to give his home address, I assume his wife and children live with him

I can see your point.
After the Southport killings the police were criticised for holding back information on the suspect. As a result social media went crazy with guessing who was responsible and that triggered the riots that followed, fuelled by misinformation.
In this incident the police quickly mentioned a white British man with no terrorist connections. Sir Mark Rowley said that this will become the norm in future but where does a line get drawn?