Zia Yusuf

Whitewavemark2

growstuff

Whitewavemark2

The Labour government is going to disband many of the county councils, and put unitary councils in their place.

Let’s hope that is before Reform cause too much damage and chaos.

Essex is one of them. I suspect breaking up the district council structure and creating unitary authorities will allow Reform more influence.

Potentially, but maybe not if their incompetence is obvious before all this happens.

Although🙄

I'm not holding my breath! It's a mystery to me why some people vote as they do despite the evidence.

Whitewavemark2

The Labour government is going to disband many of the county councils, and put unitary councils in their place.

Let’s hope that is before Reform cause too much damage and chaos.

Is that a good idea, will it work?
Will it be more cost-effective and/or could local services be impacted?

growstuff

Teazel I think we all know about bots. For that matter, how do you know who's posting negative comments about Keir Starmer or Angela Rayner? Do you think they're all bots or trouble makers?

That's why I looked up the posting history of some of the posters who had posted vile racist abuse addressed at Yusuf. In the past, they've supported Tommy Robinson or posts made by Rupert Lowe and there are other signs they are genuine Reform supporters. There are thousands of them! If they're not typical Reform voters, why do all the genuinely nice Reform voters remain so quiet?

I dont know who typical Reform voters are, just family and friends who vote Reform. None of us support Tommy Robinson! The people you quote may be genuine Reform supporters, I am sure there are equal numbers who post vile, racist comments who support Tory and Labour.

Wyllow3

I think new or newish posters aren't aware that we can all look up GN posters' posting history in the search slot, Teazel2. also by topic - who said what on say the riots last year for example. Hence Growstuffs post.

Its not a nasty thing to do, for example we can also find out perhaps if someone is having a bad time in their lives, and perhaps understand what seems rather "off".

I am sure its not a nasty thing to do. We may disagree politically with some posters, but we all want what is best for this country although have different views on what is best, and also want what is best for each other. We can be kind and compassionate and still support Reform! (Or Labour!)

I think new or newish posters aren't aware that we can all look up GN posters' posting history in the search slot, Teazel2. also by topic - who said what on say the riots last year for example. Hence Growstuffs post.

Its not a nasty thing to do, for example we can also find out perhaps if someone is having a bad time in their lives, and perhaps understand what seems rather "off".

growstuff

Whitewavemark2

The Labour government is going to disband many of the county councils, and put unitary councils in their place.

Let’s hope that is before Reform cause too much damage and chaos.

Essex is one of them. I suspect breaking up the district council structure and creating unitary authorities will allow Reform more influence.

Potentially, but maybe not if their incompetence is obvious before all this happens.

Although🙄

Reform and “nice person”

Total dichotomy.

Look across the Atlantic - listen to Trump and watch his actions.

That is what you would get with a Reform government.

Whitewavemark2

The Labour government is going to disband many of the county councils, and put unitary councils in their place.

Let’s hope that is before Reform cause too much damage and chaos.

Essex is one of them. I suspect breaking up the district council structure and creating unitary authorities will allow Reform more influence.

Teazel I think we all know about bots. For that matter, how do you know who's posting negative comments about Keir Starmer or Angela Rayner? Do you think they're all bots or trouble makers?

That's why I looked up the posting history of some of the posters who had posted vile racist abuse addressed at Yusuf. In the past, they've supported Tommy Robinson or posts made by Rupert Lowe and there are other signs they are genuine Reform supporters. There are thousands of them! If they're not typical Reform voters, why do all the genuinely nice Reform voters remain so quiet?

Teazel2

lafergar

Quite a lot of things are ridiculous. Farage being one of them.
The fact that people are so filled with hate they like the man, being another.

It is a shame you think like that, I am not filled with hate for anyone and neither are family and friends who vote Reform. Their policies resonate with commonsense.

Resonate how? Please? Anything?

growstuff

nanna8

How do you know those comments don’t come from Labour Party supporters trying to discredit Farage? I totally wouldn’t be surprised these days, anything goes. Think about it.

I did think about it, so I checked out the posting history of some of the posters who made racist comments. Of course they could be Labour supporters or bots or just about anyone, but their past comments certainly look like Reform supporters.

When I read articles online about such subjects as illegal immigration for example, and the comments underneath the article, so many comments are such that have been described on here that are similar to the tweets. They could be anyone, why would they all be Reform voters?

lafergar

Quite a lot of things are ridiculous. Farage being one of them.
The fact that people are so filled with hate they like the man, being another.

It is a shame you think like that, I am not filled with hate for anyone and neither are family and friends who vote Reform. Their policies resonate with commonsense.

The Labour government is going to disband many of the county councils, and put unitary councils in their place.

Let’s hope that is before Reform cause too much damage and chaos.

Allsorts I apologise about contributing to the long posts. I'm often in two minds about quoting like that. The alternative sometimes is that people assume pots are directed at the wrong people.

Allsorts I don't know that much about Yusuf, but I certainly agree that he appears to be a man of principle. If I'm honest, I don't "rest easy" because he seems (to me anyway) the acceptable face of Reform amongst a very bad lot.

nanna8

How do you know those comments don’t come from Labour Party supporters trying to discredit Farage? I totally wouldn’t be surprised these days, anything goes. Think about it.

I did think about it, so I checked out the posting history of some of the posters who made racist comments. Of course they could be Labour supporters or bots or just about anyone, but their past comments certainly look like Reform supporters.

Teasel had 7. Is one supposed to read again all the posts already read?

Quite a lot of things are ridiculous. Farage being one of them.
The fact that people are so filled with hate they like the man, being another.

This thread is ridiculous with all the long quotes on every post. You can rest easy he is back. A man of principle indeed.

How do you know those comments don’t come from Labour Party supporters trying to discredit Farage? I totally wouldn’t be surprised these days, anything goes. Think about it.

growstuff

Wyllow3

The supporters have tweeted them Teazel2 as per Growstuff's list.

They are all over Social media and not hard to find, truly. Really grim, worse than *Growstuff's quotes, too.

Even Nigel Farage acknowledges the racism on social media. He blames "Indian bots". It's there Teazel2, even if you haven't seen it. Wyllow3 is correct - I didn't quote the worst of them, especially the ones with obscene language.

That's why I started the thread on Yusuf - I wanted to know what Reform supporters think of him. Is he really as unpopular as social media gives the impression? They were cheering when he originally resigned, so are they typical of Reform supporters? If that's the case, racism seems to be at the core of the hatred. Those comments aren't just about controlling immigration; they're about hating a British-born man who has brown skin and has parents who come from Sri Lanka.

I havent seen them but it sounds awful. Its just so easy to hurl accusations of racism towards any Reform supporter, I am sure it exists in supporters of any political party.

Wyllow3

The supporters have tweeted them Teazel2 as per Growstuff's list.

They are all over Social media and not hard to find, truly. Really grim, worse than *Growstuff's quotes, too.

Even Nigel Farage acknowledges the racism on social media. He blames "Indian bots". It's there Teazel2, even if you haven't seen it. Wyllow3 is correct - I didn't quote the worst of them, especially the ones with obscene language.

That's why I started the thread on Yusuf - I wanted to know what Reform supporters think of him. Is he really as unpopular as social media gives the impression? They were cheering when he originally resigned, so are they typical of Reform supporters? If that's the case, racism seems to be at the core of the hatred. Those comments aren't just about controlling immigration; they're about hating a British-born man who has brown skin and has parents who come from Sri Lanka.

The supporters have tweeted them Teazel2 as per Growstuff's list.

They are all over Social media and not hard to find, truly. Really grim, worse than *Growstuff's quotes, too.

Teazel2

lafergar

What are there ideologies please?

Apart from racism?

Not a racist party

Some supporters are!

growstuff

Teazel2

Teazel2

Wyllow3

Teazel2

Wyllow3

Sorry, wrong reference. I was going to say to Teasel that yes people are voting for Reform primarily because of immigration, but what will Reform do about it specifically - this is the big one.

That will be very interesting to see, my hope is that the UK can leave the ECHR . This is what Kemi is advocating.

My post was more focusing on not understanding the levels of vitriol directed towards Reform on this forum rather than .reform policies.

Teazel2, I think you may be sadly mistaken about what the removal of the European Human rights act will achieve.

The United States have no Human Rights bill as such but still had had huge number so undocumented arrivals

and their removal is being fought over at the moment by rights enshrined in the Constitution which are not so different from ours.

So in the USA Trump is now overruling such rights as Habeas corpus (the right to a trial) which we hold dear and our courts have much more protection from parliament than there is in the USA.

It would have a marginal effect in the UK sit won't affect the numbers of people we accept as refugees/asylum seekers who are the majority of arrivals, it will only affect those turned down for refugee status. And even then, to deport them, the movement has to get permission from the country they want to return them to.

So you see Reform can't make the difference it and Braverman promisee, its fairly marginal.

*so we are left with stopping the boats, and how will Reform do this*

I think if the political will was there, a way would be found. Reform hopefully have that, I feel this government dont. There have been solutions mooted such as using a remote island somewhere which is British owned.

A major one i hope. I assume he belongs to Reform because he believes in their ideologies.

According to hundreds of posts on Twitter, Yusuf doesn't believe in ideologies which Reform voters would support.

Here are some of the comments:

"We’ve got our gesture Muslim back…"
"You mean the Muslim brotherhood strongly advised you to rejoin Reform?"
"I don't believe you're doing this for free out of love for the country, DOGE is ripe for corruption and kickbacks."
"No more Islam ideology cult taking any further authority roles."
"You can't be serious. Go back to Pakistan, stay out of British politics."
"If you truly love this country. Leave politics to the British in Britain."
"Remigration (of parasitic squatters like yourself) is inevitable."
"So is it Islam before country or country before Islam Muslim MPs in the HOC support Palestine/Hamas before issues in the UK"

I'd also like to know what Reform's ideologies are.

Trying to hound out a man who was born in the UK goes much further than curbing immigration.

Sadly I am not on twitter so have not seen any of these quotes. Who has tweeted them?