Should wearing a burqa be banned in the UK?

Claremont

France has Laws about Laïcité- secularity- since the Revolution. State and religion have to be separated, and no-one s supposed to show outward signs of their religious beliefs. This has been used to ban religious clothing, even a simple scarf, in schools and many professions.

The UK still has State and religion, well, CofE, closely linked to Government- despite the country clearly no longer Christian according to polls, and we still have Religioius representatives in the House of Lords. This makes it very difficult to ban other religious observance.

The UK still has State and religion, well, CofE, closely linked to Government

Yes, it's the system in England only, as the Anglican Church is not established in Wales and Welsh bishops do not sit in the House of Lords. The Church of Scotland is established in Scotland but is independent from the State and has no bishops anyway.

I'm sure I remember somewhere that in France the state actually sued a pupil for accusing the teacher of assault or something connected with their burqua???

That's the trouble Claremont. I don't know how it would be possible in the UK.

Even if we could ban the burqua in schools in the UK, what teacher would be brave enough to challenge a pupil to tell them to remove it?

France has Laws about Laïcité- secularity- since the Revolution. State and religion have to be separated, and no-one s supposed to show outward signs of their religious beliefs. This has been used to ban religious clothing, even a simple scarf, in schools and many professions.

The UK still has State and religion, well, CofE, closely linked to Government- despite the country clearly no longer Christian according to polls, and we still have Religioius representatives in the House of Lords. This makes it very difficult to ban other religious observance.

The bottom line is that France adopts a more pragmatic approach to such an issue. They're not bothered by theoretical sensitivities, so the burqua was banned on grounds of security. I believe the law there makes no reference to Islam nor even to women. It's just a case of this is done in the interests of national security and everyone must comply.

I agree Claremont at 18.31

Also, I regularly see women in burka shopping in our supermarket. They have no problem making friendly eye contact

The burqha/burka that is, not electric scooter kids or beer bellies 😁

Nobody wants to see it in France either, so they banned it there.

Yes Claremont.

I want to ban young men riding electric bikes on the pavement with faces completely covered, apart from eyes.

Who wants to see that in England!

Well, I'd actually agree with a ban on the burqua as long as we have total tolerance for hair and head covering that does not cover the face.

But I find the 'who want to see 'that' in England bordering on racism and islamophobia.

I don't want to see big fat beer bellies hanging out either! Two extremes!

Oreo

Yes, we should ban the burka in the UK, how can anyone integrate otherwise.

Totally agree. Who wants to see that in England?

Versailles is a very Catholic area with some families still having as many as 9 children. There was a discussion over lunch this weekend and my DGDs 21 and 18, said that some Catholic girls are now wearing hair coverings to show their religion, that they can do the same as others for their beliefs.
However, i have not seen this myself.

FGT was never ever nasty, unlike some on GN who disagreed with her politics 😡

This is a timely reminder that if you do have a virtual friend on here exchange email addresses.
I was very pleased that I did this with 2 virtual friends on here who were banned.
Also, when a ban happens it’s immediately

I would just like to add my voice to Iam's post, I do agree, I've always thought FGT has come across as a kind poster with a lovely sense of humour. She often wears her heart on her sleeve and bares her innermost thoughts and worries. Whatever the shade of her politics, GN is diminished without her and various others who have been banished.

I do hope she will be back with us soon, particularly as she is going through a very worrying time.

Iam64

I hope to see her back soon. My understanding is the site it loosely moderated. So, posts are only deleted if the report button is pressed and the mods conclude grandnet guidelines have been breached.
The site has lost some posters as a result, posters who added interest and challenge imo. Im not alone in commenting while I often disagreed with FGT I like her sense of humour and determined individual, honest, genuine contributions to news n politics. She’s also very kind.

It’s difficult not to conclude ‘some posters’ are subjected to the report button, Callistemon ? For example

Anyways. I'm also pleased, for several reasons, that FGT might be back soon. I send my good wishes.
We've lost two or three other good posters, one of whom has lost the will "to fight" being reinstated. How sad is that when she isn't even controversial or rude at all? Maybe Iam64 the report button has a cumulative effect for some poor posters, though it never worked for my reporting to get someone off my back, (- a few years ago, not anyone now).

escaped

Rewind ..... I'm on another planet. My bad mistake. The 40 degrees heat has got to me this weekend.

Fgs ..... that was meant as a WhatsApp for someone, not GN, I got the wrong date arranging something with them! Sorry!

Grannygravy13 Thank you for the update on FGT. Hoping to see her posting soon.

Rewind ..... I'm on another planet. My bad mistake. The 40 degrees heat has got to me this weekend.

New to this thread ......
I'm in France and it's refreshing not to see a buqua anywhere. I can't properly explain why, because in London it never bothered me, but here I notice its absence - in a positive way.

FTG was never rude. Whoever reported her is, though. I hope the admin mob didn’t remove her because of her political stance is all. She was a rare and valuable voice for a different point of view.

I’m still here. Reading posts daily.

Just very busy and not feeling very argumentative. So, lurking rather than contributing. 😆

Allira

And where's MaizieD?

Yes, I was wondering where MaizieD had gone too.

And where's MaizieD?

I hope to see her back soon. My understanding is the site it loosely moderated. So, posts are only deleted if the report button is pressed and the mods conclude grandnet guidelines have been breached.
The site has lost some posters as a result, posters who added interest and challenge imo. Im not alone in commenting while I often disagreed with FGT I like her sense of humour and determined individual, honest, genuine contributions to news n politics. She’s also very kind.

It’s difficult not to conclude ‘some posters’ are subjected to the report button, Callistemon ? For example