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It looks like Trump now has his Stormtroopers (Stoßtruppen)

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PoliticsNerd Sat 07-Jun-25 16:16:49

Just watching what happened in down-town Los Angeles yesterday as ICE, ATF and others conducted raids against immigrants and others.

The Los Angeles citizens protested through the night against the military-style raises. In a statement from Kathryn Barger, a member of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, she says:

I am aware of today's DHS ICE enforcement actions that took place in Los Angeles. At this time, my office is actively monitoring the situation. While I fully support the enforcement of our nation’s laws, I also believe it is essential that actions taken by federal agencies are conducted with transparency, fairness, and respect for the rights and dignity of all individuals. My priority remains the safety and well-being of all residents of Los Angeles County.

imaround Sun 15-Jun-25 17:53:03

Dickens, factually is correct. Many deported had no criminal record. They have also been rounding up migrants who are here legally.

The narriative they are putting out that all these people are dangerous criminals is false. And even if one is a dangerous criminal, they still have the right to due process.

imaround Sun 15-Jun-25 17:49:04

The first protest on April 5th had an estimated 5.8 million. Yesterdays was over 11 million. Our numbers, thus our voices, are increasing every month. That gives me hope. I am so proud of my fellow citizens. They all remained relatively peaceful. We have worse riots after the Superbowl.

Thank you to all the people all over the world who showed up in their own countries to support us and lend their voices to our cause. It was heartfelt to see. And it shows governments all over the world that we aren't giving up and we aren't going to tolerate their authoritarian takeover.

He seemed subdued and quiet yesterday. Stayed on script too, which is unusual for him.

I am going to enjoy peace today and see what he comes up with tomorrow.

Dickens Sun 15-Jun-25 13:01:38

Putting 'suspects' in chains in this day and age - seriously? Regardless of colour or nationality, or 'document' status.

I can appreciate that if you might be dealing with a suspected terrorist or violent criminal, there could be a good reason to do this; but as a general principle, I think it's brutish.

According to factually on the 'net, who harvest their information from various sources (but I haven't had time to check these out) - more than half of those detained had no criminal record.

... factually admits there are 'competing narratives' and 'biases' to consider, such as...

"Law enforcement agencies benefit from portraying all detainees as potential threats, as evidenced by DHS's stance."

"Immigration advocacy groups benefit from highlighting non-criminal deportations to demonstrate systemic overreach."

"Political actors can use either narrative to support their immigration policy positions."

Being undocumented is a civil penalty, not a federal crime.
- but

"ICE's public statements about focusing on criminals contradict their actual practices"

- and

"The Department of Homeland Security's stance that immigrants without criminal records are "far from innocent," despite providing no supporting evidence"

I realise there are ^opportunists' and would-be anarchists etc who exploit protests / demonstrations, but apart from them, maybe the level of anger is in direct proportion to the level of overreach by law enforcement?

Allira Sun 15-Jun-25 10:33:52

Casdon

This young woman who was working for her keep on a tourist visa? It sounds like the process to resolve took too long, probably because she was caught up in the huge numbers who were initially detained?
www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/usa-visa-uk-tourist-detained-b2712730.html

Yes. She was thrown into a detention facility, where, apparently, the conditions were horrendous then escorted to the plane in chains.

It was discussed on Gransnet a little while ago.

Casdon Sun 15-Jun-25 10:28:11

This young woman who was working for her keep on a tourist visa? It sounds like the process to resolve took too long, probably because she was caught up in the huge numbers who were initially detained?
www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/usa-visa-uk-tourist-detained-b2712730.html

Allira Sun 15-Jun-25 09:51:07

Casdon

Allira

Claremont

Friends from LA are just terrified. Husband is Moroccan with Green card and job in LA, has had to return to Morocco as father died suddenly. They are so worried he may have trouble getting back home, despite all his papers, etc, being in order. He is brown and arab looking. It's just awful.

You can be white and Welsh and still be put in chains and deported because you misunderstood the terms of your visa.

Do you mean this guy?

No, I mean a girl from Portskewett in Wales.
It was on the news recently.

Casdon Sun 15-Jun-25 09:50:14

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/man-deported-robbery-after-living-31505576

Casdon Sun 15-Jun-25 09:49:48

Allira

Claremont

Friends from LA are just terrified. Husband is Moroccan with Green card and job in LA, has had to return to Morocco as father died suddenly. They are so worried he may have trouble getting back home, despite all his papers, etc, being in order. He is brown and arab looking. It's just awful.

You can be white and Welsh and still be put in chains and deported because you misunderstood the terms of your visa.

Do you mean this guy?

PoliticsNerd Sun 15-Jun-25 09:11:31

There will be a percentage that does affect others thinking Imaround. It probably is, as your post suggests, slightly different depending on the subject of the protest but it sounds like a useful rule of thumb.

Thank you for posting all the information you do imaround.

Grandmabatty Sun 15-Jun-25 09:02:10

Thank you imaround for the updates. They are appreciated

Chocolatelovinggran Sun 15-Jun-25 08:41:03

Thank you for posting imaround- the protests in places such as Idaho must give everyone hope.

imaround Sun 15-Jun-25 03:59:04

My last post for today.

Alt-National Park is estimating 8.5 million protestors today, bringing us close to the 3.5% rule.

"The "3.5% rule," a concept often associated with Erica Chenoweth, suggests that a nonviolent protest involving 3.5% or more of a population is twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts. It's a generalization, not a strict law, and some argue it's more of a descriptive tendency than a prescriptive guideline. "

imaround Sun 15-Jun-25 03:14:05

The first one is Idaho. Which is a MAGA holdout. This is a large crowd for that area.

The second is San Diego.

I know the world has been worried about us the last few months. But we keep showing up and each time the crowd grows.

We are catching on.

imaround Sun 15-Jun-25 00:34:52

grin

imaround Sun 15-Jun-25 00:30:07

Looks like there were about 100x more protestors around the country then supporters at his parade. Abysmal turnout. grin

They started the parade early, which I am sure will be the "reason" why so few supporters showed up.

imaround Sat 14-Jun-25 23:54:04

I watch these types of updates during the election cycles too. It is actually a great way to know information from people in multiple locations.

LA seems to be getting spicy. Austin could go either way.

So far, 2 notable arrests. Both far-right activists instigating violence from the looks of it. 1 in Austin who was targeting an elected official and one in Culpepper Virginia who attempted to drive his car into a crowd.

Chicago dispersed without violence or arrests.

I am happy that these have been peaceful and hope it remains that way. We need to show the world that we can protest peacefully, especially on a day when far right activists are instigating violence.

Wyllow3 Sat 14-Jun-25 23:43:36

Brilliant reference, as its being updated!

imaround Sat 14-Jun-25 22:34:44

Live updates of the protests can be found here. They look massive!! And peaceful. In fact, many of them have already dispersed with no issues. Hopefully nothing kicks up after sunset.

I will keep watch on the DC parade. There were no No Kings protests planned there for today, though I did hear other groups were planning protests.

www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/14/us/protests-news?unlocked_article_code=1.O08.99fq.LX6xa1Kd7ee7&smid=url-share

imaround Sat 14-Jun-25 22:17:20

The suspect has been identified. He owns a security company out of the Congo, and is somehow connected to a Private Security firm that drives police style vehicles.

"They identified the man as Vance Luther Boelter.

“We are confirming him as a person of interest,” said Drew Evans, BCA Superintendent during a press conference. “We believe he’s working to potentially flee the area.”

Evans said Boelter was last seen this morning wearing a cowboy hat. He emphasized that people should not approach Boelter and “should consider him armed and dangerous.”

According to Boelter’s LinkedIn page, he is listed as the CEO of Red Lion Group, which is based in Congo, and he’s listed as a part of the leadership team at Praetorian Guard Security, which provides armed home security in the Twin Cities area.

It appears in the past, he’d worked in food production for several companies, including Del Monte and Nestle.

According to his bio on Praetorian Guard Security Boelter worked security situations in Eastern Europe, Africa, North America and the Middle East “including the West Bank, southern Lebanon and the Gaza Strip.”"

www.mprnews.org/story/2025/06/14/hortmans-alleged-assassin-visited-international-hotspots-has-ties-to-private-security-firms

Wyllow3 Sat 14-Jun-25 21:50:43

Sigh.

What Trump, and those who follow and support hm just look who is on this video

- top artists, and people from all backgrounds.

Its “USA for Africa” “we are the world

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AjkUyX0rVw

Must see, trust me

Look what has been lost, its devastating, all since the video, 2010, Obama....

PoliticsNerd Sat 14-Jun-25 20:45:49

Yes, that's what I'm hearing Whitewave. It seems he managed jot to turn it back on talking about himself for once.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 14-Jun-25 20:38:12

I think he expressed his shock.

MaizieD Sat 14-Jun-25 20:27:11

Sorry if this already been reported.

The preceding 13 posts refer to this shooting in one way or another...

The victims weren't named in them but they were in the link imaround posted. hmm

Has there been any reaction to this appalling act from Trump?

PoliticsNerd Sat 14-Jun-25 20:15:19

Sorry if this already been reported.

Minnesota state representative Melissa Hortman and her husband were killed at their home, Tim Walz, the governor of Minnesota, confirmed.

State senator John Hoffman and his wife were also shot in their home but are expected to survive.

Dickens Sat 14-Jun-25 19:04:49

imaround

In case you are wondering how the MAGA types are framing this assassination, here is a post from Reddits conservative board.

... the same conspiracy that framed the rioters at Capitol Hill as Democrats and left-wingers by some on the conservative right.

With absolutely no proof of course.

I'm so sorry imaround for you and those around you who are watching, apprehensively no doubt, some states in your nation descend into such turmoil, strife, and what feels like the beginning of civil war.