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It looks like Trump now has his Stormtroopers (Stoßtruppen)

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PoliticsNerd Sat 07-Jun-25 16:16:49

Just watching what happened in down-town Los Angeles yesterday as ICE, ATF and others conducted raids against immigrants and others.

The Los Angeles citizens protested through the night against the military-style raises. In a statement from Kathryn Barger, a member of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, she says:

I am aware of today's DHS ICE enforcement actions that took place in Los Angeles. At this time, my office is actively monitoring the situation. While I fully support the enforcement of our nation’s laws, I also believe it is essential that actions taken by federal agencies are conducted with transparency, fairness, and respect for the rights and dignity of all individuals. My priority remains the safety and well-being of all residents of Los Angeles County.

imaround Sat 14-Jun-25 18:48:05

This is why it is a big deal that federal agents and police officers wear masks and do not identify themselves. No one with any sense trusts the police, federal agents, nor the military right now.

We have no idea if the people who are supposed to protect us are legitimate, and if they are legitimate, if they are MAGA who will not follow the law and injure us on purpose.

Iam64 Sat 14-Jun-25 18:37:50

Strong words Grannygravy and accurate

I might be losing my grip but I felt tearful hearing the news on the political shootings in Minnesota. Also, the advice from the sherif that if a police officer arrived at your house, call the office to ensure he’s genuine. He added officers are working in pairs.

Since Trump was elected his country and the wider world is increasingly unsafe

imaround Sat 14-Jun-25 18:31:06

In case you are wondering how the MAGA types are framing this assassination, here is a post from Reddits conservative board.

imaround Sat 14-Jun-25 18:23:27

Sadly GrannyGravy, 77 million people asked for this. They are happy and excited about Trump's violence. They want liberals to be eradicated.

imaround Sat 14-Jun-25 18:21:38

“When we did a search of the vehicle, there was a manifesto that identified many lawmakers and other officials. We immediately made alerts to the state. We took action on alerting them and providing security where necessary,” said Bruley.

Apparently the shooter had a list of targets. All protests have been cancelled in the area out of caution as he had flyers about them.

This may be the "shot heard round the world" for our generation.

www.yahoo.com/news/minnesota-mayor-says-two-state-142453861.html

GrannyGravy13 Sat 14-Jun-25 18:09:34

I have just been sent this quote from a banner at one of the US rallies by a friend in the US

IF YOU ELECT A RAPIST, DON’T BE SURPRISED WHEN YOU GET F***ED

Rather sums up the current administration…

Grandmabatty Sat 14-Jun-25 17:49:12

There have been a number of shootings. I believe one couple have died. It was also reported that the shooter was dressed as a policeman and had police id(possibly fake). It was said on twitter that he had a list of representatives of government. This is 'allegedly' because it's not yet verified. Nonetheless, USA is heading to a very dangerous place to be.

imaround Sat 14-Jun-25 17:24:44

I heard the State Representative that was shot has died.

It was a politically motivated assassination.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 14-Jun-25 17:12:01

Gosh - the poor. Man is dead and it is being considered a politically motivated assassination.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 14-Jun-25 15:13:47

I do hope they recover.

I also saw someone being arrested by a Marine. Apparently the first time this has happened in the history of the USA.

Dickens Sat 14-Jun-25 15:11:47

imaround

I am laying low today at home watching.

A man posing as a police officer in Minnesota has shot people at the homes of several Democratic lawmakers in Minneapolis.

Republican sheriff in Florida said it is not illegal to run over protesters, or something along those lines.

The same Sheriff, or a different one, said in a press briefing that his officers will shoot protestors dead.

Going to be a long day IMO. Praying for peaceful resistance without law enforcement escalating things.

During the infamous storming of the Capitol - did any 'Sheriff' threaten to shoot the protestors?

... especially considering that many right-wing die-hards have publicly stated that they believe it was a 'left wing' plot designed to discredit Republicans and 'Patriots' or whatever they call themselves.

It's ironic that Elon Musk predicted civil war in the UK under Starmer, yet here we have the very beginnings of such a war in the USA.

It seems as though Trump, his backers and donors, are determined to basically wipe out all and any opposition. By fair means or foul. Even peaceful protestors will not be safe.

imaround Sat 14-Jun-25 14:48:38

She said he didn't identify himself. He did, multiple times. On camera.

Here is the info on the shootings in Minnesota.

We can no longer trust the police or military to help us in this country because we have no idea who is real, and if they are real, what side they are on.

bnonews.com/index.php/2025/06/minnesota-hoffman-hortman-shooting/

Whitewavemark2 Sat 14-Jun-25 14:40:32

I watched in utter amazement as a senator was pushed to the floor and handcuffed, just for protesting😮😮. I can’t think of an equivalent here, except I suppose imagine a member of the opposition say Sunak or Badenoch being arrested and led away from the House of Commons in handcuffs because they protested at what Starmer is doing.

It is grim.

imaround Sat 14-Jun-25 14:35:00

I am laying low today at home watching.

A man posing as a police officer in Minnesota has shot people at the homes of several Democratic lawmakers in Minneapolis.

Republican sheriff in Florida said it is not illegal to run over protesters, or something along those lines.

The same Sheriff, or a different one, said in a press briefing that his officers will shoot protestors dead.

Going to be a long day IMO. Praying for peaceful resistance without law enforcement escalating things.

Chocolatelovinggran Sat 14-Jun-25 11:07:38

Update- in the middle of the night, Mr Trump tweeted ( yes, that how policy changes are announced in the USA these days) that he may be reigning in ICE activities to allow workers to ...um...work.
I think he may have heard from a few employers about unpicked crops, abandoned construction projects etc.
As my previous post I see this as the arsonist awarding himself a medal because he turned up at the fire he set, with a bucket of water.

Chocolatelovinggran Sat 14-Jun-25 10:00:10

Yep, heavy rain and thunderstorms predicted. It could almost make you believe in a Higher Power...
It seems that the ICE movement has been given targets of, I believe, 3000 people a day to be picked up. Unfortunately, they ran out of " criminals" to detain quite quickly, so are reduced to scooping up anyone working in certain industries, such as agriculture or hospitality, or construction; unless they are too pale, of course.

imaround Fri 13-Jun-25 22:42:10

I would love to see his parade rained on bigly (to use one of his words). grin

Casdon Fri 13-Jun-25 22:15:44

Rain on his parade would be very appropriate in the circumstances I think imaround.

imaround Fri 13-Jun-25 21:31:02

That number is bigger than I thought.

$96 billion in 2024.

"Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments."

itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/

imaround Fri 13-Jun-25 21:28:32

There are entire crops of tomatoes in Florida being plowed over because there is no one to pick them.

Migrants pay in over $1B in taxes each year. If they are illegal, they get no benefits. No social security, no welfare, nothing. (I'll go find this data because I am sure someone will be a long soon to tell me how bad immigrants are and that it couldn't be true they pay in so much)

He has been rounding up LEGAL migrants. He is revoking their status based on country of origin. I wonder what the Xenophobes think about that? Because I always hear "you should do it the right way". And they did. And are being deported anyhow.

I am hearing his parade may be cancelled due to rain? This seems unlikely to me due to his ego, but who knows.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 13-Jun-25 14:47:33

Chocolatelovinggran

WWM I understand that Mr Trump is rethinking some of these deportations following lobbying from farmers with crops to pick.
" We need to help hard working farmers" he declares, with no hint of irony.
This is a fine example of an arsonist visiting the scene of his latest fire with a bucket of water awaiting plaudits for his help.

That’s interesting. I hadn’t read that.

And of course the cost of the crops will escalate.

PoliticsNerd Fri 13-Jun-25 14:47:11

Xenophobes have always existed but rage-baiting (which you can see even on Gransnet) and rage farming are a product of the internet and help spread and increase hatered.

Chocolatelovinggran Fri 13-Jun-25 14:43:43

WWM I understand that Mr Trump is rethinking some of these deportations following lobbying from farmers with crops to pick.
" We need to help hard working farmers" he declares, with no hint of irony.
This is a fine example of an arsonist visiting the scene of his latest fire with a bucket of water awaiting plaudits for his help.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 13-Jun-25 14:05:04

Listening to some commentary this morning by a couple of political bods.

The opinion was that

Immigrants provide millions of working hours on jobs that Americans don’t want to do - particularly in agriculture, labouring, hospitality etc.

These immigrants have in many cases been in the USA for years and have settled, paying tax and bringing up their families.

If they are expelled the USA will be short of millions of hours of work and billions in tax.

So much so, that crops will not be picked, building not built etc.

That is when Trump will be hit.

So the opinion is that the protests should stop, and to allow the situation to develop as above, which will they reckon happen pretty quickly.

They also reckoned that if Trump arrested the Californian Governor he (the Governor) will be the next president!

I’m not sure, although if I look at Brexit, I suppose if we had not allowed hundreds of thousands of immigrants in from Africa and Asia, the U.K. would be in the same position.

But you have to convince the xenophobes and that is difficult because they are so entrenched in their little world.

imaround Fri 13-Jun-25 13:13:52

Appeals court overturned the block until Tuesday when there is a hearing.