It looks like Trump now has his Stormtroopers (Stoßtruppen)

Yes, it is all scary.

Here is video of the National Guard joining local police in firing on crowds.

www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-09/national-guard-troops-arrive-in-los-angeles-amid-protests/105392598

Could they do so?

Do you think California will split from the Union?

David49

These riots started because Border Force in the US raided businesses looking for illegal migrants, this is exactly what Border Force do in the UK. The UK also restricts economic migrants from coming here from overseas they have to be the workers we need

Has anyone any evidence of the National Guard actually getting involved in riot control, the images I have see they are guarding government buildings and other areas, they are dressed in Camouflage uniform it’s the police that are dressed in black wearing body armour that are in the front line.

I understand the Democrats not liking being usurped in this way but it’s their policy of condoning illegal migration that has caused the problem. The US is in exactly the same position as the UK we want to control migration, is anyone going to say we should have an open doo to economic migrants?.

I already answered this question. Multiple times.

They are in violation of the constitution in what they are doing. It is illegal. They are rounding up legal migrants and citizens too.

You think it is OK for the government to break the law and violate the rights of legal migrants and citizens? You think it is ok to enter homes and businesses without a warrant?You think it is OK for Trump to usurp the 10th Amendment to take control of California's National Guard?

That is scary.

online!!!

As was suggested/hoped for upthread, Gavin Newsom has submitted a lawsuit to challenge Trump's federalizing of the California national guard without the state's consent. In the Guardian onlune just now.

MaizieD

^Has anyone any evidence of the National Guard actually getting involved in riot control, the images I have see they are guarding government buildings and other areas, they are dressed in Camouflage uniform it’s the police that are dressed in black wearing body armour that are in the front line.^

There's a clip circulating on social media of an Australian reporter being fired at (rubber bullets) by a National guardsman. It hit her on the leg. One commenter suggested that he was firing at the camera, not the reporter, but either way, why fire at the press? She wasn't rioting, she was reporting a piece to camera. Nor was there any 'rioting' in the vicinity.

bsky.app/profile/bubbaprog.lol/post/3lr5er5twjs2a

If you look at the video again the shooter has Police on the tunic.

Has anyone any evidence of the National Guard actually getting involved in riot control, the images I have see they are guarding government buildings and other areas, they are dressed in Camouflage uniform it’s the police that are dressed in black wearing body armour that are in the front line.

There's a clip circulating on social media of an Australian reporter being fired at (rubber bullets) by a National guardsman. It hit her on the leg. One commenter suggested that he was firing at the camera, not the reporter, but either way, why fire at the press? She wasn't rioting, she was reporting a piece to camera. Nor was there any 'rioting' in the vicinity.

bsky.app/profile/bubbaprog.lol/post/3lr5er5twjs2a

Allira

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Emma Lazarus

Thank you Allira.

Terric wrote

"Is this someone you would want as a leader of your Country. I cannot imagine that being the case."

In UK we've had our share of leaders who shamed their title and our country. The difference between us is when that happens, our political system offers Parliament, or the Government, and the electorate; damage limitation' ways to get rid of the idiot.

"All other world leaders sit there and tolerate the circus around him.."

World leaders have now got the message about what happens in the White House circus. From now on, I doubt many will agree to meet Trump in USA.

These riots started because Border Force in the US raided businesses looking for illegal migrants, this is exactly what Border Force do in the UK. The UK also restricts economic migrants from coming here from overseas they have to be the workers we need

Has anyone any evidence of the National Guard actually getting involved in riot control, the images I have see they are guarding government buildings and other areas, they are dressed in Camouflage uniform it’s the police that are dressed in black wearing body armour that are in the front line.

I understand the Democrats not liking being usurped in this way but it’s their policy of condoning illegal migration that has caused the problem. The US is in exactly the same position as the UK we want to control migration, is anyone going to say we should have an open doo to economic migrants?.

California has the 5th largest economy in the world. It votes Democrat. It is home to celebrities who make no bones about criticising Trump. Apparently Trump has no love for California.

I think he would like to crush California...

What happens if it spreads to NYC?

So far I’ve heard these arguments which make sense to me.

Trump is cultivating this violence to take attention away from the economy tanking as a result of his policies.

Trump hates Gavin Newson, as he is intending to run in the next presidential election.

Or Trump simply believes that he can do what he likes when he likes - he is a fascist dictator.

imaround

I agree politicsnerd. It completely misses the point of what is happening in LA. This is the start of a revolution.

Steven Miller is calling it an insurrection. That is dangerous. They are tamping down the right to protest. They are purging the government and replacing them with loyalists. They are trying to restrict free speech.

We are going no where but down before this is over. It will spread.

Here is the scariest part, barely anyone in the US knew this was happening. Even people in other parts of California had no idea what was going on. Barely any news coverage.

The seeds of this were sown on January 6 2021.. and since then Trump has fanned the flames.

Yet again , he's a megalomaniac hellbent on running America into the ground. Putin couldn't do a better job.

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Emma Lazarus

That's awful Claremont who in their worse nightmare could have foreseen this happening 'in the land of the free'.

Claremont

Friends from LA are just terrified. Husband is Moroccan with Green card and job in LA, has had to return to Morocco as father died suddenly. They are so worried he may have trouble getting back home, despite all his papers, etc, being in order. He is brown and arab looking. It's just awful.

You can be white and Welsh and still be put in chains and deported because you misunderstood the terms of your visa.

Now the immigrants are rounding up other immigrants.

That's the irony!

Friends from LA are just terrified. Husband is Moroccan with Green card and job in LA, has had to return to Morocco as father died suddenly. They are so worried he may have trouble getting back home, despite all his papers, etc, being in order. He is brown and arab looking. It's just awful.

I am very conflicted tbh.

It seems to me that protesting will only make things worse, especially if the protests spread, which I think is very likely, but if you don’t, it will only get worse.

I guess if I had the choice I would go down fighting.

GrannyGravy13

Oreo

I don’t like the sound of masked men, is this actually true?
If it’s done properly I have no objections to migrants who are probably illegally there being taken off the streets to be questioned and perhaps deported.We deport people here in the UK.

We are abroad at the moment.

DH has just had a conversation with an American family on this very subject.

Their view is ^if anyone is in America illegally, then they should be removed pretty damn quick^

This plays into the hands of people like Trump. People are all for waiving rules and coming down heavy on some members of society because they think that those things could never happen to them. Until they do. An example being all the people in this country who think we should leave the ECHR because they themselves will never need the protection it gives them .

lafergar

I don't see why it is of import if people wandered over.
They wandered over and made the land their home.
Then immigrants came and made problems. Now the immigrants are rounding up other immigrants.

Dare say somebody will be happy to argue with me and put me right any minute now.

It isn't important lafergar. It's nice to have anything used as an argument factually correct though.

Economically and politically the worst thing I can imagine is that America splits into individual states (countries).

There were many on the right who have tried to split the EU with outside blocks from both right and left trying to "help" this happen in order to increase their own political and economic power. If America were to split up the largest blocks, economically and politically, would then be Russia and China.

The current attempt by Trump to illegally use powers he doesn't have against the State of California will have the leaders of both those blocks rubbing their hands in glee.