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It looks like Trump now has his Stormtroopers (Stoßtruppen)

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PoliticsNerd Sat 07-Jun-25 16:16:49

Just watching what happened in down-town Los Angeles yesterday as ICE, ATF and others conducted raids against immigrants and others.

The Los Angeles citizens protested through the night against the military-style raises. In a statement from Kathryn Barger, a member of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, she says:

I am aware of today's DHS ICE enforcement actions that took place in Los Angeles. At this time, my office is actively monitoring the situation. While I fully support the enforcement of our nation’s laws, I also believe it is essential that actions taken by federal agencies are conducted with transparency, fairness, and respect for the rights and dignity of all individuals. My priority remains the safety and well-being of all residents of Los Angeles County.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 08-Jun-25 19:36:04

Trump is making the wearing of masks on protests illegal, but the ICE agents are not apparently all official government agents and some are members of the proud boys, J6, oath keepers (I hsvent heard of the last two) and wear masks. People are being encouraged to take photos of tattoos etc to identify these illegitimate agents.

Maremia Sun 08-Jun-25 19:26:39

That is quite a worry for the ordinary folk on the street.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 08-Jun-25 19:24:51

Maremia

What's happening now in Los Angeles? How far is he prepared to go?

Well I’ve just been watching a Black Hawk helicopter, delivering lots of “stuff” which I assume is weapons. But not sure.

I hope someone steps in to calm things down. Too many guns in the USA

Galaxy Sun 08-Jun-25 19:21:55

Crikey that's even beyond my commitment to free speech.

Maremia Sun 08-Jun-25 19:09:54

What's happening now in Los Angeles? How far is he prepared to go?

Oreo Sun 08-Jun-25 19:05:25

I would hate a GN member to be in trouble by thoughtlessly writing something, or the site itself. Writing that about any celebrity let alone a President is very iffy.We’ve all seen what happens with emotional and thoughtless tweets.Just sayin’.

lafergar Sun 08-Jun-25 18:57:06

Maybe it's up to the mods to decide what's libellous or not.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 08-Jun-25 18:52:45

The laws are entirely different in the USA and the burden of proof is much more difficult, because free speech comes into play.

MaizieD Sun 08-Jun-25 18:51:46

I post a comment given to me by an American holidaymaker and according to you I have extremist views

Did you not think that 'an American holidaymaker' might not have a particularly balanced view of the situation, GG13? Did you inquire about their political leanings before posting their comment?

Though I have to say, you have consistently shown yourself as very far from having 'extremist views' in all the time I've 'known' you on this forum. It was a strange comment on PN's part...

Maremia Sun 08-Jun-25 18:45:41

It would have to be untrue, to be libellous.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 08-Jun-25 18:42:05

Rubbish

Oreo Sun 08-Jun-25 18:41:25

Whitewavemark2

Oreo

Trump is pretty bad all round, but define ‘little girls’ ? I would be very very careful if I were you Terric with what you write on a public forum.

Underage

Even that’s libellous.

Oreo Sun 08-Jun-25 18:38:53

PoliticsNerd What rubbish about GrannyGravy13 and extremist views, I actually laughed when I read it.Have you ever met anyone with real extremist views I wonder.If you had you would know the difference.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 08-Jun-25 18:37:04

Oreo

Trump is pretty bad all round, but define ‘little girls’ ? I would be very very careful if I were you Terric with what you write on a public forum.

Underage

Oreo Sun 08-Jun-25 18:35:13

Trump is pretty bad all round, but define ‘little girls’ ? I would be very very careful if I were you Terric with what you write on a public forum.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 08-Jun-25 18:33:00

PoliticsNerd

I really wouldn't make any assumptions about Trump and legality Allira. I think anyone doing so puts themselves in the place of the frog in the Frog and the Scorpion tale.

Add to this the general bias of GrannyGravy13's posts and I think it's reasonable to assume that she will lean towards anyone who agrees with her generally extremist views.

This www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TD5rTXj-_4 might provide a little balance.

Oh dear.

I post a comment given to me by an American holidaymaker and according to you I have extremist views

The sun is shining, the sea is glistening and I am having a fabulous holiday, I really cannot be bothered to begin to put you right…

Maremia Sun 08-Jun-25 18:23:39

Terric, you have the support and sympathy of many people here in the UK.

Terric Sun 08-Jun-25 18:06:19

I live in America. As far as the National Guard on Jan. 6, Trump did not want his protestors hurt so he blamed Nancy Pelosi for not calling them out. You notice, that Trump was the one to call out the Guards for the California Immigration protestors. We are not blinded by Trump as some want to believe. We are not impressed his henchmen…Steven Miller. Steven Miller will be no one as soon as the Trump regime is finished. What is it with Trump and why is he getting away with his actions, you ask? He is not “getting away”. Because The United States is a democracy, all legal challenges must go through the court system for local to state to Supreme Court. It takes forever for cases to be decided and, so far, many of them that have been decided are against Trump. Trump was put into office mainly because he has millionaire friends and supporters and they pave the way for him to get elected. They benefit from his contracts and tax breaks. He pardons anyone that supports him regardless of their crimes. The average American is embarrassed of him and his ignorance, childlike and hateful and bullying behavior. I personally cringe when I see him open his mouth to speak. He is stupid and not able to hold a conversation with an intelligent person and so he throws out his ignorant rants about whatever flies through his empty head. He is not intelligent enough to hold the office of Presidency..or any other office that requires intellect. He is not mind but hateful and vengeful. People fear him because, just like any other gangster, he has his lackeys do the retaliation for him. If he finds out you crossed him, he digs up anything in your or your family’s past to try to destroy you and them. He uses the court system to try to financially break people. He uses contributor’s money to pay for his legal expenses and or as he has done recently, blackmails law offices into giving him free legal services or else get put out of business. He is the dirtiest of businessmen. When he got involved in Atlantic City casinos, he didn’t even pay the contractors because he said they were charging him to much…this was done after the work had been completed. Many construction companies were not able to pay their workers. He did not care because he told them to sue him and he knew their suits would be held up in court for years because he just appealed the court decisions anyway. This man may be known to you as a successful businessman. He is not! He gets his money by selling his name. In some circles the name looks larger than life and might attract some attention. In America, his name is associated with racism, hatred, homophobia, false religion, ignorance, stupidity, grifting, narcissism, arrogance, lying, a convicted criminal, a rapist, and someone who spends a lot of time putting on too dark makeup and coloring his weird hair. Is this someone you would want as a leader of your Country. I cannot imagine that being the case. All other world leaders sit there and tolerate the circus around him. How many world leaders do you know that hold a meeting with a foreign dignitary in a room full of press and lackeys who by the way, many of whom have criminal records and are not qualified for their appointed positions, only to embarrass the dignitary by going on tangents that have nothing to do with the purpose of the visit! So, if you think Americans are ignorant of what he does, you would be so wrong. Money talks and as is said by his supporters…the one who holds the money is the one who wins! Many normal Americans are praying that something will happen and he will no longer be able to hold the title. On the other hand, JD Vance is not capable of being President and is showing to be just as vicious as Trump. Trump hires people he knows are aggressive and willing to walk through fire to support him. Trump is 79 years old and way to old to be making any important decisions for anyone, let along a Government. The press in America and also the UK live off of his actions and are sadly contributing to the extreme sensationalism of our Government. All of what is happening in The United States of America is very sad and in the long run will have consequences based on the election of Donald Trump. As a side note, Trump was involved with Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein. There are many photos and court documents to prove this to be factual. Once again, these documents are hidden from the public in hope that the reputations of these wealthy people are not sullied and also those in prominent positions are not associated with Epstein. Remember, Trump goes way back before he was a politician and his reputation was that of a rich, playboy. His associations were the same. Epstein was Trump’s friend and they hung out together for many years. Im not sure why Trump’s name has not been made public in his association with underage little girls as there is a photo online and available to see of Trump with little girls on a yacht and also with a little girl sitting on his lap. These were published long before AI. Remember, where there is smoke there is fire! All of that being said, feel sad for the United States that the people that really voted for Trump have played a part in electing a dictator and autocrat and it will only get worse once we get hit with a crisis greater than we currently have. Have a nice day in the UK and be grateful you don’t have to be embarrassed by your Government!

Delila Sun 08-Jun-25 17:48:01

GrannyGravy13

Oreo

I don’t like the sound of masked men, is this actually true?
If it’s done properly I have no objections to migrants who are probably illegally there being taken off the streets to be questioned and perhaps deported.We deport people here in the UK.

We are abroad at the moment.

DH has just had a conversation with an American family on this very subject.

Their view is ^if anyone is in America illegally, then they should be removed pretty damn quick^

”Probably”and ”if” aren’t good enough.

garnet25 Sun 08-Jun-25 17:41:06

Sorry don't usually use my phone to post!

garnet25 Sun 08-Jun-25 17:39:31

Thank you Imaround

garnet25 Sun 08-Jun-25 17:38:48

Thank you Imaround.

PoliticsNerd Sun 08-Jun-25 17:31:32

Balance provided by imaround. Thank you!

PoliticsNerd Sun 08-Jun-25 17:28:44

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imaround Sun 08-Jun-25 17:26:11

One should never assume anything. On any topic.

None of these migrants have had due process and are being removed from the country against court orders. Even the Supreme Court has ordered a few returned to the US.

There are accounts of long term (20+ years) permanent legal residents with no criminal history being detained and held for weeks without anyone even telling them why they were detained.

Reports are also coming out now that these detained people are not getting medical care, nor food, in some cases.

They are being treated like animals in cages and are being targeted due to the color of their skin. A Hispanic US Marshall was handcuffed in Arizona, I believe, and was told that he "fit the descriptions", which means he looked Hispanic. He told them he was a US Citizen and was asked for his passport. Do any of you carry your passport daily? We are being advise to carry our passports with us at all times to prove citizenship so we don't get handcuffed and put in a plane.

That is how serious it is.

It is no different than Hitler rounding up the people he didn't like. Now that the Trump team is calling protests insurrections, it is going to escalate. People are going to start getting killed IMO.

This image is how ICE rolls into town to start, literally, grabbing people off the street. Breaking car windows, entering houses without warrants.