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It looks like Trump now has his Stormtroopers (Stoßtruppen)

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RosieandherMaw Sun 08-Jun-25 09:35:56

PoliticsNerd

I wasn't "showing off my German" RosieandherMaw. I left Germany when I was four and wasn't taught the language after that.

However, you seem that you feel concentrating on a specific word is more important than the overall meaning or implication of what I posted. I wonder why?

Nope, just they’re not called Stosstruppen
Get over it
Nothing to wonder about.

AGAA4 Sun 08-Jun-25 09:28:20

I hear Trump is being called DESPOTUS.

AGAA4 Sun 08-Jun-25 09:24:57

This is unsurprising but still worrying. Trump has been showing signs of Hitler type behaviour but in more subtle ways.
He wanted Canada and Greenland to be under his control to increase his power.
He has constantly overstepped what a president is allowed to do.
I fear for the people of the US.

PoliticsNerd Sun 08-Jun-25 09:17:55

You seem it seems

PoliticsNerd Sun 08-Jun-25 09:16:28

I wasn't "showing off my German" RosieandherMaw. I left Germany when I was four and wasn't taught the language after that.

However, you seem that you feel concentrating on a specific word is more important than the overall meaning or implication of what I posted. I wonder why?

RosieandherMaw Sun 08-Jun-25 08:45:30

Turn-und Sportabteilung until they prevented the disruption of a meeting by Hitler and the Nazi Party in 1921. After they were known as Sturm Abteilung shortened to SA which means Storm Trooper
It’s not petty to be accurate instead of showing off one’s German. Nobody is ignoring anything in the US.

Maremia Sun 08-Jun-25 08:32:24

If he is using his version of Storm Troopers today, how long will it be before he tries out his own hellish version of the SS?
And please don't say that can't happen, because with this Authoritarian Regime in power, and no one to stop them, of course it can.

PoliticsNerd Sun 08-Jun-25 08:24:37

The misuse of troops or other state actors under government orders to carry out non-democratic or oppressive tasks is often described using terms such as "authoritarian abuse", "state repression", "military repression", "state-sponsored violence", or "authoritarian crackdown" and we need to call these things out for what they are lest we see the same in our country where we see the language of the extremists in America - words such as Doge and Maga being directly transposed to our community even though the original meaning makes no sense if you believe us to be a sovereign nation.

We need to call out the abuse of power where government or military forces exceed their lawful authority and violate human rights, especially where normal news sources are being or have been taken over by extremists. Such countries news sources are subsumed by supporters of the extremists. They need outsiders to report truthfully.

Authoritarianism, dictatorship and totalitarianism, especially when they involve the systematic and widespread abuse of power that we see in the US, but also growing within the UK, is aimed at maintaining or consolidating control rather than serving the public interest.

windmill1 Sun 08-Jun-25 07:36:10

Maybe President Trump has been poring over some tin-pot biography on Sir Oswald Mosley and his tin-pot army of Blackshirts and has concluded: "I could do that."

MayBee70 Sun 08-Jun-25 07:25:28

imaround

I agree politicsnerd. It completely misses the point of what is happening in LA. This is the start of a revolution.

Steven Miller is calling it an insurrection. That is dangerous. They are tamping down the right to protest. They are purging the government and replacing them with loyalists. They are trying to restrict free speech.

We are going no where but down before this is over. It will spread.

Here is the scariest part, barely anyone in the US knew this was happening. Even people in other parts of California had no idea what was going on. Barely any news coverage.

sad

imaround Sun 08-Jun-25 01:21:03

National Guard is on the way. They are about to turn the military on them.

Notice the spin they added at the bottom?

imaround Sun 08-Jun-25 00:55:54

I realized I shouldn't say barely anyone knew. A lot of people are learning through word of mouth on social media vs legacy news outlets.

imaround Sun 08-Jun-25 00:54:17

I agree politicsnerd. It completely misses the point of what is happening in LA. This is the start of a revolution.

Steven Miller is calling it an insurrection. That is dangerous. They are tamping down the right to protest. They are purging the government and replacing them with loyalists. They are trying to restrict free speech.

We are going no where but down before this is over. It will spread.

Here is the scariest part, barely anyone in the US knew this was happening. Even people in other parts of California had no idea what was going on. Barely any news coverage.

PoliticsNerd Sun 08-Jun-25 00:22:08

It's a petty argument which, deliberately or otherwise distracts from the point about what was actually happening in Los Angeles, RosieandherMaw.

My understanding is that the stormtroopers were a paramilitary group made up of disenfranchised men who went to the streets to cause violence against the Nazi's political rivals in a way the Nazis could deny involvement. In the same way Trump et al can deny involvement blaming ICE for the way this was carried out.

Step by step they follow the same playbook, denying more and more citizens human rights including born and bred American's who were happy to vote when they thought it would only affect foreigners, immigrants.

In just the same way, people don't want to understand that both Reform and Trump are hard-right Conservatives who don't want the state to be involved in any way. When they talk about lowering taxes they mean for the very rich, they only need others to obtain power.

Allira Sat 07-Jun-25 22:05:08

Why let the truth get in the way of a good story, RosieandherMaw!

RosieandherMaw Sat 07-Jun-25 21:55:48

Just in the interests of historical accuracy.
The Stosstruppen you refer to were the (army) Storm Troopers of WWI.
After the First World War, they were originally known as the Turn-und Sportabteilung until they prevented the disruption of a meeting by Hitler and the Nazi Party in 1921. After they were known as Sturm Abteilung shortened to SA which means Storm Trooper.
Hitler’s Stormtroopers wore a uniform of khaki brown shirts with swastika armband on left arm, khaki brown trousers with, brown belt, brown combat boots and khaki brown peaked cap with red trim. They were often called by the nickname Brownshirts because of the brown shirts they wore.
They were outlawed later and the rise of the SS did away with them.
Officially there were no Storm Troopers (such as WW1) but Allies (especially Americans) would use the term to describe German elite troops.

imaround Sat 07-Jun-25 20:50:05

It has begun.

PoliticsNerd Sat 07-Jun-25 16:16:49

Just watching what happened in down-town Los Angeles yesterday as ICE, ATF and others conducted raids against immigrants and others.

The Los Angeles citizens protested through the night against the military-style raises. In a statement from Kathryn Barger, a member of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, she says:

I am aware of today's DHS ICE enforcement actions that took place in Los Angeles. At this time, my office is actively monitoring the situation. While I fully support the enforcement of our nation’s laws, I also believe it is essential that actions taken by federal agencies are conducted with transparency, fairness, and respect for the rights and dignity of all individuals. My priority remains the safety and well-being of all residents of Los Angeles County.