Please leave the politics and do your job!

Exactly David49

lafergar

Mt61

Ditto Monica.. didn’t the Palestinians vote in Hamas?

How interesting, they voted for Hamas. Who were the other candidates and what would happen to a family who wished to choose somebody other than Hamas.

In 2007 they were the good guys who promised a new future. That didn’t last long the very quickly changed their colours and stockpile arms to attack Israell

Public criticism of Hamas is rare, with protests violently dispersed and opponents jailed, tortured and killed - this protest took place in Beit Lahiya in northern Gaza on 26 March

Source BBC ( that crazed left wing organisation)

Mt61

Ditto Monica.. didn’t the Palestinians vote in Hamas?

How interesting, they voted for Hamas. Who were the other candidates and what would happen to a family who wished to choose somebody other than Hamas.

Yes, Hamas was voted in by the Paelestinians. They subsequently took permanent power and disposed of political opponents.

Ditto Monica.. didn’t the Palestinians vote in Hamas?

no-one suffered more

Allira

Claremont

So when my grandfather refused to continue to make German uniforms in the late 30s, despite them being one of his biggest client and boycott would severely affect his business at the worst possible time (after the big commercial Crisis of the 30s) because of what was happening to Jews- he was 'virtue signalling'.

Ah well.

No, he wasn't, he was acting in accordance with his principles.

Refusing to export uniforms to the Government of a hideous regime is understandable and he deserves our admiration.

A supermarket refusing to import food from farmers in a country where they object to the regime is the converse of that.

Exporting military uniforms to a Government intent upon invading other countries and eradicating a whole race of people is different from importing food from farmers who may in fact disagree with their own Government's actions.
You said yourself that Israeli friends disagree with Netanyahu's actions.

But that's just my opinion and I don't know what the answer is.

Thank you for your opinion Allira, and yes, I can see the difference.

As said above, I can only base my comments on the boycotts of South AFrican products during Apartheid. Some of the farm owners did not support Appartheid, but they were very few. And of course their workers, no longer slaves, but honesty not far better, did lose out. But most would agree now that it was worthwhile and did help lead to change.

As said before, no-one suffered from from the banishment of slavery, than the slaves. Owners were heavily compensated- slaves got 'freedom' - freedom to have no work, no housing, no nothing at all, for a long time, and then lose everything they had worked for since, at the time of Apartheid. NONE would wish to be back to slavery all the same.

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Claremont

Refused to sell any more. He cancelled the contracts at great cost to him. The factory never recovered actually, and he died just before I was born, in 1950.

What an interesting and poignant comment.

The thing is, Allira, if you were a Christian bookshop you would be unlikely to stock anti-christian texts... Logically you could but the choice is not to.

Any store will have its own ethical base. It may have a very low bar - like some fast fashion seems to - and it may aspire to something very different.
There were brands in the 1980s (such as M&S and Next) who decided to pull their fabric sourcing out of South Africa. They didn't have a "membership" as such, to ask but may have gone to shareholders to ask.

www.aamarchives.org/campaigns/boycott.html

Claremont

So when my grandfather refused to continue to make German uniforms in the late 30s, despite them being one of his biggest client and boycott would severely affect his business at the worst possible time (after the big commercial Crisis of the 30s) because of what was happening to Jews- he was 'virtue signalling'.

Ah well.

No, he wasn't, he was acting in accordance with his principles.

Refusing to export uniforms to the Government of a hideous regime is understandable and he deserves our admiration.

A supermarket refusing to import food from farmers in a country where they object to the regime is the converse of that.

Exporting military uniforms to a Government intent upon invading other countries and eradicating a whole race of people is different from importing food from farmers who may in fact disagree with their own Government's actions.
You said yourself that Israeli friends disagree with Netanyahu's actions.

But that's just my opinion and I don't know what the answer is.

Refused to sell any more. He cancelled the contracts at great cost to him. The factory never recovered actually, and he died just before I was born, in 1950.

GrannyGravy13

Claremont Hugo Boss supplied the Nazis with uniforms, Mercedes and BMW supplied vehicles and tanks, doesn’t seem to have damaged their public profile or bank accounts.

Did you actually read my post? My grandfather, once he realised what was going on in Germany, refused to see anymore Nazi uniform. Not because what was happening did him any harm, but because he knew it was wrong. So it did damage his bank accounts, and his public profile, as many didn't understand why he felt so strongly about it.

Hugo Boss, Mercedes and BMW continued regardless.

www.co-operative.coop/2025-motions

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The Board recommends that members read the Board’s response to these motions before voting.

12 Motion from Individual Members - Animal Welfare

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For: 90.04%

Against: 9.06%

13 Motion from Individual Members – Trading with Israel

CARRIED

For: 72.8%

Against: 27.2%

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It was probably 73% of members who voted...

I get email invites to the actual meetings. I had one to this too.
And I voted.

Who can vote:

www.co-operative.coop/get-involved/voting

To be able to vote at the Co-op AGM you did have to be customer. The criteria were:

Spend £100 at Co-op

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Spend on Co-op Legal Services, Co-op Funeralcare or Insurance

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Rule 3: The Individual Member has made any purchases from Co-op Legal Services within the 12 months immediately prior to the calculation date.

Rule 4: The Individual Member has purchased a Co-op Funeralcare or a Fairways Pre-paid Funeral Plan as at the calculation date.

Rule 5: The Individual Member has purchased a funeral or memorial masonry from Co-op Funeralcare or a funeral home operated by the Co-op within 12 months immediately prior to the calculation date.

Galaxy

Yes I agree I was speaking broadly about large organisations and 'causes'. I do avoid the co op to be fair, but their customers obviously are entitled to do what they like!

It's not "customers" who voted but all members could. It's likely that they are customers but not all members will be customers and not all customers will be members. It's a choice.

Where will be free speech if no one can demonstrate an opinion these days.

I am pro Israel btw

I am unclear what you mean about funding oldfrill, could you explain.

OldFrill

Mt61

lafergar

most Israeli people are very peaceful

Wondering how you know this please?

I’ve watched a lot of documentaries on the Jewish people, they come across as peaceful people

Who funded these documentaries

Most ordinary citizens in the world want to live in peace.

Mt61

lafergar

most Israeli people are very peaceful

Wondering how you know this please?

I’ve watched a lot of documentaries on the Jewish people, they come across as peaceful people

Who funded these documentaries

lafergar

*most Israeli people are very peaceful*

Wondering how you know this please?

I’ve watched a lot of documentaries on the Jewish people, they come across as peaceful people

Mt61

MayBee70

My partner does all the food shopping. It will make life easier for him as he's been boycotting Israeli goods for quite a while.

It’s a shame, as most Israeli people are very peaceful, they probably don’t want war.

Well, they voted in the deputies who form the current government that are behind these atrocities, and while there have been some protests there have not been many.

I am sure they do not want war, but only if the Palestinians do as they are told by Israel.