Is Sir Keir In The Last Chance Saloon?

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Madgran77 Why did Badenoch even need to refer to how Reeves looked?

The ball was in Badenoch's court. The welfare bill has been a fiasco and Starmer must have been expecting criticism. In the end, Badenoch lost the moral high ground with her nasty, sneering comments.

I wasnt suggesting that she needed to or should have referred to Reeves; she didnt need to. I meant more generally that Reeves colleagues could have quietly supported. For that matter Badenoch could have as well really. In a more "normal" environment surely someone would have broken "protocol"; gone to her; said come on, even put a hand on her arm (normal caring stuff really!!) and left with her for goodness sake. The furore would have been no more than it already is in the press anyway and in fact if PR/optics were to be considered would overall provide a better view of parliament and MPs as not being completely in a glass bubble outside reality a lot of the time frankly!

That could then have been followed up with a statement about a private matter and (MP who helped) was providing appropriate support to a colleague bla bla. Even better if the MP had crossed from Labour as they could all see her!!

I really think Labour has some good ideas but unfortunately Rachel Reeves doesn't appear to think things through or consult those that will be affected

Good ideas (some of them) - yes

But it is not just RR making the nistakes; there is no way all her various budget stuff would have been announced without Starmer's knowledge as a minimum. And should have been and probably was the whole Cabinet!

orly

I always thought he looked uncomfortable the moment he won the election. He's always looked like a startled rabbit caught in headlights. It was much easier for him in Opposition where all he had to do was to criticise and vote everything down.

What do you think Badenoch looked like yesterday orly? Of course it is easier to be the leader of the opposition, but that isn’t an excuse to behave as she did yesterday - and I don’t think that Keir Starmer would ever have behaved like that either.

Casein 👏

Actually, PMQ is/was usually the opposition making sarcastic attacks on anything said by the other party. We saw a lot of this during the last government. Go back and look at the attacks on Sunak for example.
The only difference this time is that it was a woman making cutting remarks about another woman.
Whilst I didn’t like KB’s attack, neither did I like KS’s disregard and lack of support for his team member.

I think the difference is that this time the attack was about her appearance/demeanour, which is much more personal than attacking policy or the defence of decisions taken. It’s a fine line but an important one. It’s just unkind, on a very intimate level.

Well, as Mick used to sing ‘it’s all over now’. She’s managed to bounce back overnight and the markets have recovered and Starmer has stated publicly that she’s there to stay.
Tho he must be wondering if he will himself.

So far Oreo even the corbineesters seem. To understand. There’s no point circling their wagons against Keir

Not very observant is he? RR was crying just a couple of feet from him and he didn’t realise it.

Before she even started crying her face was puffy and swollen and she had huge bags under her eyes.

Now the 64 dollar question is- is Jeremy Corbyn launching a new left wing party with Sultana?

Why? Is he not satisfied with losing two elections? Does he want to make it a third??

The very public displays of affection, laughter and harmony yesterday looked an absolute put-up job, of course.

Rachel Reeves looked much better however, whatever the reasons.

She appeared to have had a good night’s sleep.

Yes, it’s tough at the top.

ronib

Now the 64 dollar question is- is Jeremy Corbyn launching a new left wing party with Sultana?

It’s been on every news bulletin this morning…

Why does Jeremy Corbyn find it so hard to make a plain statement? I think Sultana bounced Corbyn into this before he was ready or fully committed to the plan. He is very focused on genocide in Gaza but overall I find Corbyn’s lack of leadership quite frustrating. It will be interesting to see what happens next if anything.

I am as is probably obvious a bit irritated by Starmer, and I was a very strong supporter. However then these numpties pop up and I can feel a flicker of my previous loyalty to him.

Corbyn doesn’t make plain statements,

Photograph with a wreath at a wreath laying ceremony for
terrorists “I was there but I don’t know if I was involved “

“I want an united Ireland” when photographed at funeral of
Bobby Sands but refused to meet victims of IRA

Unfortunately I cannot find what I posted after Labour's victory last year but I predicted what would happen (the gist of it was disaster for the country) and I was right. This is how it has turned out.

Welcome to the gang Galaxy. I understand the frustration with such poor management of policies the leadership must have known would be a hard sell within the party. But back to the future - nooo

Corbyn is yesterday’s man absolutely no use as a head of state, he just can’t lead, you may or may not agree with his politics but he has no ability to encourage others to follow him.

That’s why he failed as party leader.

It’s not the only reason he failed David. He was grumpy and got irritated when pushed even a little by journalists. He’s used to surrounding himself and spending time with people who share his simplistic views

I don’t think for a minute that Corbyn sees himself as a future PM now David49.
He was the Farage of the day, the following he had was huge, loyal, and blinkered, until he failed. He is not a stupid man though, his aim now is to disrupt and challenge not to lead.

The largest following he got was at Glastonbury 2017

Iam64

Welcome to the gang Galaxy. I understand the frustration with such poor management of policies the leadership must have known would be a hard sell within the party. But back to the future - nooo

I think I feel the same Iam and Galaxy.

At least it might focus the minds of the current Labour backbench rebels - if they don’t like the way the party is going, they can get out and join Corbyn. I wonder how many will🤔

Interesting times.!

Casdon

I don’t think for a minute that Corbyn sees himself as a future PM now David49.
He was the Farage of the day, the following he had was huge, loyal, and blinkered, until he failed. He is not a stupid man though, his aim now is to disrupt and challenge not to lead.

He will fail at that too.
Contrast him to Farage who does inspire others to follow and really is a serious disruptor

David49

Casdon

I don’t think for a minute that Corbyn sees himself as a future PM now David49.
He was the Farage of the day, the following he had was huge, loyal, and blinkered, until he failed. He is not a stupid man though, his aim now is to disrupt and challenge not to lead.

He will fail at that too.
Contrast him to Farage who does inspire others to follow and really is a serious disruptor

He was all over the media at his peak. The only real difference between him and Farage (apart from the obvious political divide) was that he was leading an established party, not a start up, I think he will succeed at disruption, he still has a loyal following.