Falling birth rate

Oreo

Not at all MaizieD perhaps just in your opinion?
20,000 arriving here in six months is a worrying figure which is why people are concerned including our own government.
The cost is enormous, housing feeding, health, translators, weekly money and more for each single one.
It’s a drain on our country and is not the same as legal immigration at all.

Totally agree.

Hithere

How nice!

Using women as incubators for economic purposes - aka pensions or whatever else anybody has in mind! (Read with sarcasm)

The birth rate is falling the world over. And it posses a problem particularly in mature economies.

Immigration will do the same job as increased birth rate

Er that is an odd way to view pregnancy, I don't think anyone has suggested enforced pregnancy have they? It is a discussion about how society functions.

How nice!

Using women as incubators for economic purposes - aka pensions or whatever else anybody has in mind! (Read with sarcasm)

Oreo

Not at all MaizieD perhaps just in your opinion?
20,000 arriving here in six months is a worrying figure which is why people are concerned including our own government.
The cost is enormous, housing feeding, health, translators, weekly money and more for each single one.
It’s a drain on our country and is not the same as legal immigration at all.

What you have left out however are the enforced returns which so far amount to nearly 10000 since the beginning of the year.

Of those 10000 left some will be given refugee status, which means that they will be required to find work, accommodation etc. others will be refused and in turn deported.

There is a big problem, because the Tories simply never got to grips with the problem for obvious reasons.

Not at all MaizieD perhaps just in your opinion?
20,000 arriving here in six months is a worrying figure which is why people are concerned including our own government.
The cost is enormous, housing feeding, health, translators, weekly money and more for each single one.
It’s a drain on our country and is not the same as legal immigration at all.

growstuff

David49

MaizieD

Those that are are costing £8m a day, small change?
Only £3 billion a year , a small trifle.

With respect,*David*, for someone who venerates business your thinking on the national economy is remarkably restricted. £3billion is small change in the context of over all national budget spending; which is estimated to be about £1,300billion in 2025

Give them work permits and a hostel to live in until they are processed.

I expect they would much rather do that than have to sit around doing nothing all day in usually substandard accommodation and with a very small daily allowance.

I can just see the uproar there would be as well, with accusations of potential terrorists and child groomers being let loose on the UK population. Not to mention cries of 'taking our jobs'... Reform would have a field day.

If they were working they would likely create £2 billion in revenue, but you’re right it is all change and doesn’t matter, as for potential terrorists, quite likely but they are going to be given Assylum anyway because their home country isn’t “safe”..

Are you talking about immigrants or the people who arrive on boats? They're not the same group of people.

I think that David was talking about the asylum seekers who arrive on boats. A very small proportion of immigrants to the UK but who loom largest in people's minds. Mostly for the purpose of demonisation...

Immigration will always be needed here but not unfettered immigration.A points system and a strict one at that is needed to makes sure people are who they say they are and really do have the necessary qualifications .
As to the small boats full of mainly economic migrants, the previous government and this government may just admit they’ve thrown in the towel.
In regards to improving birth rates here, there isn’t a way.Women, unless from religions or cultures where they have big families, have actively chosen to have mainly only two, one or none.

David49

MaizieD

Those that are are costing £8m a day, small change?
Only £3 billion a year , a small trifle.

With respect,*David*, for someone who venerates business your thinking on the national economy is remarkably restricted. £3billion is small change in the context of over all national budget spending; which is estimated to be about £1,300billion in 2025

Give them work permits and a hostel to live in until they are processed.

I expect they would much rather do that than have to sit around doing nothing all day in usually substandard accommodation and with a very small daily allowance.

I can just see the uproar there would be as well, with accusations of potential terrorists and child groomers being let loose on the UK population. Not to mention cries of 'taking our jobs'... Reform would have a field day.

If they were working they would likely create £2 billion in revenue, but you’re right it is all change and doesn’t matter, as for potential terrorists, quite likely but they are going to be given Assylum anyway because their home country isn’t “safe”..

Are you talking about immigrants or the people who arrive on boats? They're not the same group of people.

Allira

We do produce enough food to feed everyone in the world adequately.

Only because we pump animals full of drugs, spread fertiliser on our crops and manufacture so-called food from chemicals.

And that is going from 1 billion people to 8 billion. In 60 years.
Something like that.

Allira

We do produce enough food to feed everyone in the world adequately.

Yes

MaizieD

^Those that are are costing £8m a day, small change?^
Only £3 billion a year , a small trifle.

With respect,*David*, for someone who venerates business your thinking on the national economy is remarkably restricted. £3billion is small change in the context of over all national budget spending; which is estimated to be about £1,300billion in 2025

Give them work permits and a hostel to live in until they are processed.

I expect they would much rather do that than have to sit around doing nothing all day in usually substandard accommodation and with a very small daily allowance.

I can just see the uproar there would be as well, with accusations of potential terrorists and child groomers being let loose on the UK population. Not to mention cries of 'taking our jobs'... Reform would have a field day.

If they were working they would likely create £2 billion in revenue, but you’re right it is all change and doesn’t matter, as for potential terrorists, quite likely but they are going to be given Assylum anyway because their home country isn’t “safe”..

growstuff

fancythat

growstuff

LOUISA1523

Yes, definitely a cause for concern

Why?

The world is running out of resources. Isn't it a good thing that there might be fewer of us?

But the world has not run out of any.

I cant think of a single one.

Fossil fuels are running out, as are some elements such as phosphorous, fresh water, fish. The world can only feed itself because we use methods which probably don't do our bodies that much good.

But they never ran out.

Nothing has as far as I know.

We do produce enough food to feed everyone in the world adequately.

growstuff

Allira

fancythat

growstuff

David49

Whitewavemark2

Blimey the message - immigrants seems to be getting through.

High immigration levels generally means economic growth.

It does if they are actually working, not sitting in hotels costing money.

The vast majority of immigrants are not siting in hotels costing money.

Where are they then?

Where are they then?

Many working in the NHS or in private healthcare. Care workers, shop workers, teachers, in the Armed Forces.
Everywhere!

Yes, everywhere! My neighbours work in a science lab, hospital, engineering company and packaging company.

I realised afterwards he wasnt talking about boat migrants.

fancythat

growstuff

LOUISA1523

Yes, definitely a cause for concern

Why?

The world is running out of resources. Isn't it a good thing that there might be fewer of us?

But the world has not run out of any.

I cant think of a single one.

Fossil fuels are running out, as are some elements such as phosphorous, fresh water, fish. The world can only feed itself because we use methods which probably don't do our bodies that much good.

Allira

fancythat

growstuff

David49

Whitewavemark2

Blimey the message - immigrants seems to be getting through.

High immigration levels generally means economic growth.

It does if they are actually working, not sitting in hotels costing money.

The vast majority of immigrants are not siting in hotels costing money.

Where are they then?

Where are they then?

Many working in the NHS or in private healthcare. Care workers, shop workers, teachers, in the Armed Forces.
Everywhere!

Yes, everywhere! My neighbours work in a science lab, hospital, engineering company and packaging company.

Where are they then?

And running Post Offices.
If they're brave enough to still do that.

That phrase has been said for about the last 60 years.

escaped

Unless there is something wrong with the way in which news is reaching me abroad this summer, I heard that the number of births inEnglandandWalesrose last year??
According to theOffice for National Statistics(ONS), some 594,677 live births were registered in 2024, up 0.6 per cent from 591,072 in 2023.

yes you are right, quite a few (not meant to be offensive) migrants have set out to have children for various reasons. My sister, in her area, has been asked to help gather donations of baby items for several of these babies

growstuff

LOUISA1523

Yes, definitely a cause for concern

Why?

The world is running out of resources. Isn't it a good thing that there might be fewer of us?

But the world has not run out of any.

I cant think of a single one.

fancythat

growstuff

David49

Whitewavemark2

Blimey the message - immigrants seems to be getting through.

High immigration levels generally means economic growth.

It does if they are actually working, not sitting in hotels costing money.

The vast majority of immigrants are not siting in hotels costing money.

Where are they then?

Where are they then?

Many working in the NHS or in private healthcare. Care workers, shop workers, teachers, in the Armed Forces.
Everywhere!

fancythat

growstuff

David49

Whitewavemark2

Blimey the message - immigrants seems to be getting through.

High immigration levels generally means economic growth.

It does if they are actually working, not sitting in hotels costing money.

The vast majority of immigrants are not siting in hotels costing money.

Where are they then?

The vast majority of immigrants are living in houses and flats all around the country. My neighbours on both sides are immigrants, for a start - that's four working adults.

Unless you are not talking about immigrants come in by boat.