Keep Trump out of the UK!

I would rather have Trump come here for a visit, than any of the ones who sneak in to do us harm and try to be permanent, there are plenty of those arriving on a daily basis

We are a democratic society and Trump was voted in by a big majority

Caleo

But why quote Mandelson? Did you have had a reason to single him out?

If Mandelson were here on Gransnet there would be posters who , like myself, take issue with him. Mandelson is not God Almighty.

I don't particularly like Mandleson, I think he's just a realist that's all, not God Almighty a bit over the top I have to say just a mere mortal who has some clout.

Caleo

Terribull wrote:

"----totally false man huggy, hugs, sick making in the insincerity, that he and Macron indulged in, "

I guess Volodimir Zelensky is exceptional as a politician who is utterly sincere at all times.

I think any hugs that heads of state or other dignitaries show to Zelensky are entirely different to these faux shows of affection that fool nobody. Zelensky, is pretty much a one off, he's brave, he's vulnerable, more vulnerable than other presidents and he's standing up for his war torn country against aggression, and what you see in him, is what you get. Gestures are a way of expressing solidarity towards him in that context, in other situations, it's become a thing, it's just so unnecessary. What's wrong with the traditional handshake.

Have to commend whoever suggested September, when Parliament does not sit. Strategic planning.

I meant to add, I dont want to derail this thread with this.
I am just one, of many interesting opinions about the Trump visit.

Caleo

fancythat

Love your enemies.

Jesus ate with sinners.

I wouldn't ban Putin.
Though I would feel uncomfortable.

Jesus also got violently stroppy with those people who were misusing the Temple for personal commercial gain. JC was no wimp. Loving your enemies does not imply cuddling up to them.

You still love them.
Jesus still ate with them.

But yes, of course he still abhorred some of their behaviour.
And said to walk away from certain people so as not to fall in with the same behaviour patterns by being in their company too long as to start becoming and behaving like them.

‘Open Britain defines itself as been open and inclusive’
Not deciding who should or shouldn’t visit our shores.

I’d rather just ignore the visit by Trump.

You can go to both Change.org and 38 Degrees to find petitions.

fancythat

Love your enemies.

Jesus ate with sinners.

I wouldn't ban Putin.
Though I would feel uncomfortable.

Jesus also got violently stroppy with those people who were misusing the Temple for personal commercial gain. JC was no wimp. Loving your enemies does not imply cuddling up to them.

Maremia

Well, if the Visit goes as well as his Big Birthday Military Parade, squeaky tank and all, it could be worth experiencing.

Nice one.

Of course we need to engage in diplomacy.
Of course we have to sit down at the discussion table

But we dont have to like it.

Indeed, my hope is, he comes and gets the cold shoulder from the public and I expect some prominent public figures and celebs:
and it will be intriguing to watch out of course for the parts of the press, and pubic figures, who do support him.

I'm to blame for some of the assumptions people have made here about the nature of what the petition is calling for

Sorry!

The petition is most definitely not to stop him coming altogether, but to create a situation where we have a chance to let Trump know what many of us feel

There are demonstrations planned for Wednesday 17th September in a number of venues - if this thread continues, I'll post details.

Terribull wrote:

"----totally false man huggy, hugs, sick making in the insincerity, that he and Macron indulged in, "

I guess Volodimir Zelensky is exceptional as a politician who is utterly sincere at all times.

I do like the way GN shows the opinions of people.

I won't sign.
Whether we like it or not he is the elected President of the United States. He has been here before and has been invited to return.
Get on with it!

Doodledog, I don't think you meant that Trump is visiting the king in the sense of a jolly with plenty of horses and helicopters.

But why quote Mandelson? Did you have had a reason to single him out?

If Mandelson were here on Gransnet there would be posters who , like myself, take issue with him. Mandelson is not God Almighty.

I don't agree with sniping at those with different views - arguing with them yes, 'banning' or making unnecessary and pointless digs, no.

If we refuse to engage we have no influence.

What has Trump's visit to the King to do with Labour, incidentally?

Rein not reign

I was quoting Mandleson, and we don't have to like Trump as a person, I don't. However, as I stated up thread, state visits from visiting heads of foreign governments are necessary to oil the wheels in many respects. Anyway, l imagine Starmer will reign it in somewhat and not go for all those totally false man huggy, hugs, sick making in the insincerity, that he and Macron indulged in, but he still needs, and no doubt he will show Trump, as President of the US a level of respect that he would offer to any other head of state.

TerriBull, a "kernel of truth in what he (Trump) says" is not sufficient for him to be trusted with the lives and property of others ;there is a sliver of truth in what any madman or any criminal says.

Well, if the Visit goes as well as his Big Birthday Military Parade, squeaky tank and all, it could be worth experiencing.

Trump is not a nice man nor a good President but he is very powerful and in our own interest he has to be placated.

The visit is going to happen whether we like it or not, Trump will be helicoptered everywhere and have minimal public contact. Protests will achieve nothing, let’s face it at least half of US citizens hate him, the fact that many Brits hate him is no worry to him.

Honestly! are you serious, we've had loads of state visits by awful people, Mugabe, Xi, King Abdullah, he's just one more. It is as others have said about diplomacy and expediency. Here's what Peter Mandelson had to say about him in the ST this week. "He's a more nuanced figure than people appreciate. Look he's not only a unique politician - he's also going to be one of the most consequential presidents in American history. He has this sense of history, this grasp of power which I think perhaps recent inhabitants of the White House haven't quite seen. He is not a man for endless seminars and thinking. He's not a victim of analysis paralysis. He has a very quick and easy way of grasping the core points of an issue. And lets be honest, more often than not there's a kernel of truth in everything he says. This includes border control, if you take immigration for example, people feel that the work of ICE (US federal immigration agency) and the policy of deportation is extreme. But what he's trying to roll back was an extreme opening up of the Mexican border. Allowing anyone from anywhere in the world to fly and simply pass into the United States and fan out across the country without any control or management! The public won't stand for it. Illegal crossings, which peaked under President Biden at 300,000 a month collapsed when Trump took office to about 12,000 a month"

Well of course he would say all that I hear you say, as our Ambassador to Washington, he can't be slagging him off, and a certain amount of pragmatism is necessary from someone in his position.

No I wouldn't have voted for Trump in many respects I think he's awful, but I also thought the same about Biden in a different way, if he wasn't so inept then the US might not be saddled with Trump.

Whether we like it or not Trump is the president of the US.
We have long been on friendly terms with the US and that shouldn't change because of Trump. The US will still be there after Trump has long gone.

Iam64 well said (far better than my garbled version)