Dianne Abbot - did she want to be suspended, again .

The anti semitism that exists is the responsibility of those expressing it.

Galaxy thank you for stating the truth about anti semitism, you are right and I was wrong to conflate Netanyahu with the rise in anti semitism. No right mi ded people conflated 9/11 with blaming all Muslims

I wasn't having a go Iam64. I know someone who is using the situation with Israel to express an anti semitism which I believe has always been lurking.

Anti-Semitism is never far below the surface and the current actions of Netanyahu give those who enjoy such pleasures the permission to do so vocally while claiming not to be antiSemites. Just as the transgender confrontations give misogynists free reign to hate on women, while proudly declaring their 'kind inclusivity'

Ilovecheese

That is not really a fair summary of what Diane Abbot said. I think anyone wanting to post an opinion should maybe have a listen to what she actually said first.

It is in fact a fair precis of what she said.

The equalities watchdog found in 2020 Labour had serious failings in the party’s handling of persistent antisemitism complaints.
Abbott, 69, was responding to a writer's claims that Irish, Jewish and Traveller people suffered racism. She said that their experiences were similar to racism but that there were differences.
"They undoubtedly experience prejudice. This is similar to racism and the two words are often used as if they are interchangeable," she wrote.
"It is true that many types of white people with points of difference, such as redheads, can experience this prejudice," she said in the letter. "But they are not all their lives subject to racism."

She later apologised "unreservedly" and withdrew her remarks.
"The errors arose in an initial draft being sent," she said in a message posted on Twitter. "But there is no excuse, and I wish to apologise for any anguish caused."

Reuters April 2023

Travellers again. Easily identified if yiu know anything about that community.

Is it prejudice to think "Oh, not again!" when you see horses tethered in the middle of a roundabout and know that the car park in town will be inaccessible for a few weeks because travellers have decided they'll take it over for a while?

Lots of traveller communities in my area and they are easily identifiable. Sadly, they do experience racism.

I don't think it's racism - well not here anyway. It's just extreme irritation!! See why in my post above.
They took over a hospital car park for weeks a while ago. It's just sheer arrogance, knowing that anyone who tries to move them on will be accused of prejudice and 'racism'.

LizzieDrip

Iam64

I agree with your taxi driver FGT.
Abbott wanted to provoke the front bench, especially Starmer. I’d have some respect for her if she’d criticised the Labour Party she was elected to serve, then gone to join this brave new Corbyn type party.

As for her comments about Jewish people not being instantly seen as Jewish in the way black /people of colour are, that’s another rather ludicrous. Comment. I’ve not heard of schools or Churches that serve a predominantly black community needing guards at their doors. Here in north Manchester they do.

Jews have been subjected to prejudice, racism, pogroms, been driven from the places they called home and then, the holocaust. I’m not denying or minimising the legacy of the slave trade but let’s not play who had it worse.

Travellers again. Easily identified if yiu know anything about that community.

I agree Iam.

Lots of traveller communities in my area and they are easily identifiable. Sadly, they do experience racism.

I think Abbot is showing her own narrow mindedness and lack of awareness of others’ lived experiences.

I wish she would leave the Labour Party and join Corbyn et al (if that ever comes to fruition). She clearly despises KS and the current LP - she’s a better fit with Corbyn.

I agree with the rest of your post LizzieDrip
She and Corbyn are 'a match made in heaven'!

Rosie51

Anti-Semitism is never far below the surface and the current actions of Netanyahu give those who enjoy such pleasures the permission to do so vocally while claiming not to be antiSemites. Just as the transgender confrontations give misogynists free reign to hate on women, while proudly declaring their 'kind inclusivity'

There is a significant amount of anti-semitism in the UK which has nothing to do with Netanyahu or Palestinians. It is "classic" neo-Nazism, which has never gone away. The most serious antisemitic crimes over the last few years have involved such people, eg
Mason Reynolds
www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/teenage-neo-nazi-convicted-possessing-synagogue-attack-plan
Harry Vaughan
www.thejc.com/news/teenage-satanist-neo-nazi-spared-jail-after-admitting-terror-offences-lysyds8l
Fiona Ryan
www.thejc.com/news/teenage-satanist-neo-nazi-spared-jail-after-admitting-terror-offences-lysyds8l

growstuff Are you denying that the present situation with Israel hasn't enabled a great number of closet anti-Semites? Not every anti-Semite is a card carrying Nazi. Your link to Fiona Ryan is the same one to Harry Vaughan, but the correct link www.cps.gov.uk/wessex/news/tiktoker-sentenced-grossly-offensive-antisemitic-posts shows Ryan compares Jews to Nazis so it would seem she isn't one?

Rosie51
Anti-Semitism is never far below the surface and the current actions of Netanyahu give those who enjoy such pleasures the permission to do so vocally while claiming not to be antiSemites. Just as the transgender confrontations give misogynists free reign to hate on women, while proudly declaring their 'kind inclusivity'

The cause is Netanyahu ? who was the one person who caused
pogroms, who caused The Holocaust? Placing all on one person is so wrong ,

Anniebach I've not blamed Netanyahu for everything so I don't understand your reply to me. I merely think that distaste for his current actions gives anti-Semites an easy excuse, a shield if you like, to be antisemitic whilst claiming not to be. They'll blame all Jews for the actions of one. We saw a Jewish woman choose to leave this site by some closet antisemitism disguised as concern for Gaza. Some of the posts directed at her were beyond contempt.

Rosie you spoke of the actions of one man, it so like the
Gaza threads, one man brought about the Israeli/ Palestinian war, same man enabled Hamas to invade Israel, it is not possible for one person to carry out such atrocities, no different to Hitler caused WW2 and the Holocaust, one person
cannot bring such horrors to the world.

I agree with over Philippa and the treatment of her on that thread, same happened to her last year

Rosie51

Anniebach I've not blamed Netanyahu for everything so I don't understand your reply to me. I merely think that distaste for his current actions gives anti-Semites an easy excuse, a shield if you like, to be antisemitic whilst claiming not to be. They'll blame all Jews for the actions of one. We saw a Jewish woman choose to leave this site by some closet antisemitism disguised as concern for Gaza. Some of the posts directed at her were beyond contempt.

I don't agree. She was challenged and didn't have any response. I don't agree that was antisemitism.

Rosie51

growstuff Are you denying that the present situation with Israel hasn't enabled a great number of closet anti-Semites? Not every anti-Semite is a card carrying Nazi. Your link to Fiona Ryan is the same one to Harry Vaughan, but the correct link www.cps.gov.uk/wessex/news/tiktoker-sentenced-grossly-offensive-antisemitic-posts shows Ryan compares Jews to Nazis so it would seem she isn't one?

Oh! Ryan is a neo-Nazi (not a very bright one), but my point is that she's not pro-Palestinian. In fact, most neo-Nazis are also anti-Islamists. There's a lot more to anti-semitism than being pro-Palestinian. people really should do some homework.

Quote growstuff Sat 19-Jul-25 00:01:21
Rosie51
Anniebach I've not blamed Netanyahu for everything so I don't understand your reply to me. I merely think that distaste for his current actions gives anti-Semites an easy excuse, a shield if you like, to be antisemitic whilst claiming not to be. They'll blame all Jews for the actions of one. We saw a Jewish woman choose to leave this site by some closet antisemitism disguised as concern for Gaza. Some of the posts directed at her were beyond contempt.
I don't agree. She was challenged and didn't have any response. I don't agree that was antisemitism.

She was bullied

FWIW I'm passionately anti-Netanyahu and the actions of some of the Israeli government and some Israelis. However, I'm not "anti" all Israelis and certainly not against all Jews (many of whom have nothing to do with Israel). I object very strongly to being labelled anti-semitic because I find what Israel is currently doing objectionable. It's a lazy argument by people who seem not to know the difference between between being Jewish, being Israeli and supporting the current Israeli government.

I'm well aware of historical anti-semitism and I know that support for Palestine has clouded the issue. As it happens, if I were an adviser to Palestinians (which I'm never likely to be), I'd tell them to take the moral high ground. I was as horrified as anybody by their 7/10 attack. Not only was it appalling, but they lost a moral argument, which was IMO stupid.

My point is that anti-semitism exists in the UK despite what's going on in Gaza. I'm afraid anybody who doesn't believe that is blinkered.

Anniebach

Quote growstuff Sat 19-Jul-25 00:01:21
Rosie51
Anniebach I've not blamed Netanyahu for everything so I don't understand your reply to me. I merely think that distaste for his current actions gives anti-Semites an easy excuse, a shield if you like, to be antisemitic whilst claiming not to be. They'll blame all Jews for the actions of one. We saw a Jewish woman choose to leave this site by some closet antisemitism disguised as concern for Gaza. Some of the posts directed at her were beyond contempt.
I don't agree. She was challenged and didn't have any response. I don't agree that was antisemitism.

She was bullied

She was challenged and had no response.

Iam64

DA has given an interview in which she doubles down on her previous comments that only black people are subjected to racism. Travellers, Jewish people are in her view treated like red heads
She’s been suspended again. No diubt that’s what she wanted.

I never understood at school (70s) why it was so wrong when people called other people for the colour of their skin, but it was ok to say anything derogatory about red headed/ginger people, that was always ok. I thought it out of order on both counts.
I wore my hair in a bun, teacher would shout‘Rusty Bun’ across the class- can you even imagine saying that to a black, or brown person.

I never knew anybody with brown/black skin when I was at school, so I don't even know what I thought. My sister has ginger hair and I know she was occasionally called names, which upset her. Nevertheless, the name calling stopped and she didn't ever suffer the kind of discrimination which I now know people with brown/black skin experience.

8growstuff* My point is that anti-semitism exists in the UK despite what's going on in Gaza. I'm afraid anybody who doesn't believe that is blinkered.

Do you even read and digest other's posts? That was precisely my point, that anti-Semitism exists, is never far from the surface, but things like the Gaza situation give 'cover' for the closet ones to emerge, whilst proclaiming their virtue.

She was challenged and had no response. You truly saw it as that? The venom directed at her had more than a touch of anti-Semitism attached, but those that want to remain blind to it will never see.

osie51 Sat 19-Jul-25 01:13:58
8growstuff* My point is that anti-semitism exists in the UK despite what's going on in Gaza. I'm afraid anybody who doesn't believe that is blinkered.

Do you even read and digest other's posts? That was precisely my point, that anti-Semitism exists, is never far from the surface, but things like the Gaza situation give 'cover' for the closet ones to emerge, whilst proclaiming their virtue.

She was challenged and had no response. You truly saw it as that? The venom directed at her had more than a touch of anti-Semitism attached, but those that want to remain blind to it will never see.

Agree Rosie denial comes into play but doesn’t change what
took place,

growstuff

I never knew anybody with brown/black skin when I was at school, so I don't even know what I thought. My sister has ginger hair and I know she was occasionally called names, which upset her. Nevertheless, the name calling stopped and she didn't ever suffer the kind of discrimination which I now know people with brown/black skin experience.

Yes, I most certainly do read other people's posts. Unfortunately, I don't think some people digest mine.

No, I don't agree that the poster in question was bullied. I think she was one-sided and was challenged.

Sorry, I quoted the wrong post in my last reply. I meant to respond to Rosie51.

Rosie51

Anniebach I've not blamed Netanyahu for everything so I don't understand your reply to me. I merely think that distaste for his current actions gives anti-Semites an easy excuse, a shield if you like, to be antisemitic whilst claiming not to be. They'll blame all Jews for the actions of one. We saw a Jewish woman choose to leave this site by some closet antisemitism disguised as concern for Gaza. Some of the posts directed at her were beyond contempt.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
…and nobody is going to admit to it either.