Dianne Abbot - did she want to be suspended, again .

Rosie51
Anti-Semitism is never far below the surface and the current actions of Netanyahu give those who enjoy such pleasures the permission to do so vocally while claiming not to be antiSemites. Just as the transgender confrontations give misogynists free reign to hate on women, while proudly declaring their 'kind inclusivity'

The cause is Netanyahu ? who was the one person who caused
pogroms, who caused The Holocaust? Placing all on one person is so wrong ,

growstuff Are you denying that the present situation with Israel hasn't enabled a great number of closet anti-Semites? Not every anti-Semite is a card carrying Nazi. Your link to Fiona Ryan is the same one to Harry Vaughan, but the correct link www.cps.gov.uk/wessex/news/tiktoker-sentenced-grossly-offensive-antisemitic-posts shows Ryan compares Jews to Nazis so it would seem she isn't one?

Rosie51

Anti-Semitism is never far below the surface and the current actions of Netanyahu give those who enjoy such pleasures the permission to do so vocally while claiming not to be antiSemites. Just as the transgender confrontations give misogynists free reign to hate on women, while proudly declaring their 'kind inclusivity'

There is a significant amount of anti-semitism in the UK which has nothing to do with Netanyahu or Palestinians. It is "classic" neo-Nazism, which has never gone away. The most serious antisemitic crimes over the last few years have involved such people, eg
Mason Reynolds
www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/teenage-neo-nazi-convicted-possessing-synagogue-attack-plan
Harry Vaughan
www.thejc.com/news/teenage-satanist-neo-nazi-spared-jail-after-admitting-terror-offences-lysyds8l
Fiona Ryan
www.thejc.com/news/teenage-satanist-neo-nazi-spared-jail-after-admitting-terror-offences-lysyds8l

LizzieDrip

Iam64

I agree with your taxi driver FGT.
Abbott wanted to provoke the front bench, especially Starmer. I’d have some respect for her if she’d criticised the Labour Party she was elected to serve, then gone to join this brave new Corbyn type party.

As for her comments about Jewish people not being instantly seen as Jewish in the way black /people of colour are, that’s another rather ludicrous. Comment. I’ve not heard of schools or Churches that serve a predominantly black community needing guards at their doors. Here in north Manchester they do.

Jews have been subjected to prejudice, racism, pogroms, been driven from the places they called home and then, the holocaust. I’m not denying or minimising the legacy of the slave trade but let’s not play who had it worse.

Travellers again. Easily identified if yiu know anything about that community.

I agree Iam.

Lots of traveller communities in my area and they are easily identifiable. Sadly, they do experience racism.

I think Abbot is showing her own narrow mindedness and lack of awareness of others’ lived experiences.

I wish she would leave the Labour Party and join Corbyn et al (if that ever comes to fruition). She clearly despises KS and the current LP - she’s a better fit with Corbyn.

I agree with the rest of your post LizzieDrip
She and Corbyn are 'a match made in heaven'!

Lots of traveller communities in my area and they are easily identifiable. Sadly, they do experience racism.

I don't think it's racism - well not here anyway. It's just extreme irritation!! See why in my post above.
They took over a hospital car park for weeks a while ago. It's just sheer arrogance, knowing that anyone who tries to move them on will be accused of prejudice and 'racism'.

Travellers again. Easily identified if yiu know anything about that community.

Is it prejudice to think "Oh, not again!" when you see horses tethered in the middle of a roundabout and know that the car park in town will be inaccessible for a few weeks because travellers have decided they'll take it over for a while?

Ilovecheese

That is not really a fair summary of what Diane Abbot said. I think anyone wanting to post an opinion should maybe have a listen to what she actually said first.

It is in fact a fair precis of what she said.

The equalities watchdog found in 2020 Labour had serious failings in the party’s handling of persistent antisemitism complaints.
Abbott, 69, was responding to a writer's claims that Irish, Jewish and Traveller people suffered racism. She said that their experiences were similar to racism but that there were differences.
"They undoubtedly experience prejudice. This is similar to racism and the two words are often used as if they are interchangeable," she wrote.
"It is true that many types of white people with points of difference, such as redheads, can experience this prejudice," she said in the letter. "But they are not all their lives subject to racism."

She later apologised "unreservedly" and withdrew her remarks.
"The errors arose in an initial draft being sent," she said in a message posted on Twitter. "But there is no excuse, and I wish to apologise for any anguish caused."

Reuters April 2023

Anti-Semitism is never far below the surface and the current actions of Netanyahu give those who enjoy such pleasures the permission to do so vocally while claiming not to be antiSemites. Just as the transgender confrontations give misogynists free reign to hate on women, while proudly declaring their 'kind inclusivity'

I wasn't having a go Iam64. I know someone who is using the situation with Israel to express an anti semitism which I believe has always been lurking.

Galaxy thank you for stating the truth about anti semitism, you are right and I was wrong to conflate Netanyahu with the rise in anti semitism. No right mi ded people conflated 9/11 with blaming all Muslims

The anti semitism that exists is the responsibility of those expressing it.

Why Netanyahu? Abbott spoke of Jews, posts then referred to
Jews

Me too Iam; if only Netanyahu was.

I’m desperately sad that the sections of Netanyahu are increasing anti semitism

My older grandson is marrying his fiancé later this year. They recently bought their first house. There was a scramble to buy it. His fiancé is of dual heritage, white British father, Muslim convert after marrying her mum. Mum a Burmese Rohingya Muslim. A relative of mine recently described her as a beautiful exotic, I forgive my 85 year old relative, she meant well.
Anyway, the point of this post is the owner of the house had four people wanting it, none had a chain, it’s a furs time buyer home. My grandsons partner gave his name in the initial negotiations. Her name would identify her Muslim heritage, a faith she no longer follows or believes in. Thankfully, the owner liked this young couple and gave them her house. It was awful though to hear this confident yiung British woman worried thst her name might rule them out at stage one

I agree my feelings towards people who are not involved in the slaughter of the innocent is wrong . That is also why it was a shock to me to feel that way. A new feeling and a very uncomfortable one .
That is the reason for my comment - to admit I felt prejudice which is not normal for me and in my own way admit how easy it is to be prejudiced against somebody who has totally different views or looks very different

I abhor violence in any form and I certainly don't agree with the slaughter of any person .

kjmpde

I have never really hated anybody due to their religion, colour or gender BUT I started to feel genuine dislike of 2 strangers who were obviously Jewish and that they were Israeli's. They had done nothing wrong but the link to the murdering government in Israel was made in my mind. How can you bomb children trying to get water ? I had to be more logical but it is amazing how a negative experience affects your view of a whole group of people.
Diane Abbott is old enough to have had racists comments made to her and no doubt sexist views too.

Hmm. Did the slaughter of young Jews who were just enjoying a concert make you as angry against any Muslims that you happened to see?

If not, why not?

But nobody could deny the intensity of hatred that Jews experience or the extremes of intent - such as complete extermination of the whole race.

Diane Abbott has never denied the intensity of hatred or extremes of intent towards Jewishbpeople. That is not what she is saying!

Above I was not quoting her words exactly; paraphrasing the point she is making

Iam64

DA has given an interview in which she doubles down on her previous comments that only black people are subjected to racism. Travellers, Jewish people are in her view treated like red heads
She’s been suspended again. No diubt that’s what she wanted.

She never said that only black people are subjected to racism. She has consistently said that there are different forms of racism caused by different factors and that depending on the factor the racism type will be different.

Iam64

Ilovecheese

I know that Diane Abbott is not very popular on Gransnet, but that doesn't justify misrepresenting what she actually said.

I apologised for my haste and posted detail of what DA said

Yes, sorry, I should have acknowledged that.
Dianne Abbott has suffered such abuse during her career and bravely carried on.

theworriedwell

Growstuff isn't that more to do with his skin colour? I have Muslim converts in my family and they don't get any racist abuse.

Yes, it is to do with his skin colour and appearance. He's an Arab, looks like one and has an Arab name. Idiots assume he's Muslim and call him a Paki or a Muzzie. I agree with you that the assumptions are made based on his appearance.

Quote Smileless2012 Fri 18-Jul-25 17:45:07
did she want to get suspended, again I think she must have done Iam hmm.

She certainly knows how to gain attention resigning would not
have brought the same attention

kjmpde I agree with you about remembering that hate must not be allowed to breed hate. However, I'm also aware that I'm in the privileged position of not having any personal reason to hate anybody or any group. Of course, there are individuals and ideologies I dislike intensely, but I can ignore them; I'm rarely affected personally. Making a choice not to hate anybody is a personal philosophy, but I don't think I have the right to impose that on others. How would I feel if a group of people had destroyed my home and killed a number of my friends and family? I don't think I could ever put it behind me or avoid letting it colour my mind.

did she want to get suspended, again I think she must have done Iam .