Just as a matter of interest, MOnica, does anyone know what he does to make himself so popular in his own constituency?
I realise his policies in the wider world are not popular.
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âOh Jeremy Corbynâ đ” đ¶ and Zarah Sultana have confirmed the launch of their new political party today!
(158 Posts)Itâs up and running today. The name of the new party hasnât been announced yet.
This just now in the Telegraph:
âThe former Labour leader and his fellow now-independent MP said it was âtime for a new kind of political partyâ in a statement today.
The pair have invited voters to sign up to the Left-wing faction via the website yourparty.uk, although The Telegraph understands the new project will not be called Your Party and that its name is to be confirmed.
It comes after Mr Corbyn told activists that the new movement would be established in time to fight Labour nationwide at the local elections in May next year.
In a joint statement, Mr Corbyn and Ms Sultana said: âItâs time for a new political party. One that belongs to you. The system is rigged.â
Well well.
It will split the Labour vote for sure. Starmer wonât be happy.
Casdon
I think Corbyn personally will get votes M0nica, he is very popular in his constituency - if he genuinely wants to carry on as an MP by 2029, by which time he will be in his eighties (although, to be fair he is wearing well). I donât think the other MPs in his party, who are a ragbag of the zealots and/or disaffected will fare so well.
I agree. He has a strong personal vote in his constituency, but apart from the very strange bunch of followers he has. I think his policies, at least, as many I have read, will stop most people voting for him.
I think Corbyn personally will get votes M0nica, he is very popular in his constituency - if he genuinely wants to carry on as an MP by 2029, by which time he will be in his eighties (although, to be fair he is wearing well). I donât think the other MPs in his party, who are a ragbag of the zealots and/or disaffected will fare so well.
I doubt Corbyns will get many votes. Everyone has seen how incompetent he was as a party leader. No one in their right mind would want him as Prime Minister, whatever his policies. He is a busted flush.
I donât think heâs âletting Reform inâ Grantanow. Heâs standing up for what he believes in after the party he was loyal to for 60 years threw him out. There were enough people within Labour urging him to start his own party, well now he has. The current Labour Party has to work out how to appeal to the electorate on its own merits now itâs expelled those pesky extremists who they felt were holding them back.
nightowl
Grantanow
Personally competent or not, Corbyn's new party will split the Labour vote and let Farage's party in. A disaster for which Corbyn will be responsible.
Perhaps Keir Starmer would have been wiser to keep Jeremy Corbyn in the party and lead a Labour Party that truly was a âbroad churchâ. If anyone has split the Labour vote it is Starmer himself.
As Tony Benn said âthe Labour Party has never been a socialist party, but itâs always had socialists in itâ. There is strength in a range of views. Perhaps Starmer just hasnât been in politics long enough to learn from the past.
No point in talking about the past. If Corbyn persists with his new unnamed party he will let Reform in, A worse disaster for the UK than Brexit has been.
Sorry I was not clear, I was not talkingof Starmer talking to Corbyn, but identifying Corbyn and his supporters as extreme left wing. A left wing that actually got their leader elected as leader oft he Labour party, and reduced the wider party ito such a state of panic that it chose as its next leader from the bland uncharismatic wing of the party.
Keir Starmer may well have been DPP, and a successful one, by all accounts. However it does not follow that he will then be a good political leader at hasn't.
There is something called the Peter Principle that states that people in a hierarchy tend to rise to "a level of respective incompetence": employees are promoted based on their success in previous jobs until they reach a level at which they are no longer competent, as skills in one job do not necessarily translate to another. This is exactly what has happened to Kier Starmer.
I'm slightly puzzled by MOnica's response, too... 
The only talking that Starmer has done to supporters of the policies of Corbyn, is to tell them that the door is open for them to leave.
So they did.
MaizieD
^The growth of Reform is the result of all political parties only talkiing to the extremists in their parties and never listening to what the electorate is really saying - and means.^
Who are the 'extremists' that the LP are talking to, MOnica?
In the past Corbyn and his cronies, and all those people who were once in Labour and are now flocking to his new party.
Farage is listening to everything the electorate is saying
You have a point there.
He does seem to at least listen.
Personally, I cant say I feel at all listened to by Starmer and the Labour Party.
I seem to tune out the conservatives. Probably need to tune in again to see what they currently are saying.
Farage is listening to everything the electorate is saying, and promising almost everything they want.
Two big problems.
He has no practical solutions to to fulfil his promises, any more than the Conservatives had and Labour is now discovering. Sharp lawyers and ECHR defeat most objectives, and the present PM toadying to Europe and Trump alternately, whilst trying to play Ruthless Leader back home convinces no-one.
Farage is totally unable to work with anyone else. Watch his 'discussion' programmes with seasoned politicians, not to mention his own brief-lived MPs. They always end with him talking over his guests out and drowning them out.
The growth of Reform is the result of all political parties only talkiing to the extremists in their parties and never listening to what the electorate is really saying - and means.
Who are the 'extremists' that the LP are talking to, MOnica?
Ilovecheese
But the current leader is not at all left wing. I know that he said that he was left wing in order to secure the leadership but he is pretty much continuing with Conservative economic policy.
Reform was gaining ground well before this new party was announced. The success of Reform can be laid squarely at Starmer's door I believe.
No, you cannot blame Stramer for Reform. Reform is a right wing party with policies that Labour would never espouse.
The growth of Reform is the result of all political parties only talkiing to the extremists in their parties and never listening to what the electorate is really saying - and means.
Iâm a Labour Party member. I voted for Starmer. Iâm pleased with our yiung Labour MP. Iâm stunned by how dreadful the comms team is. The govt is doing some good things that youâd expect from a Labour govt yet theyâre making such a mess in a number of ways, that negatives dominate the headlines
I donât see Starmer as responsible for the success of Reform. Give Farage his due, heâs an effective populist communicator, something Starmer isnât sadly. The govt did inherit an absolute mess. Thereâs no doubt that the majority is now increasingly anxious about the impact and financial cost of the arrival of so many men seeking asylum. Starmer attempted to demonstrate his acceptance of that and intention to try and make changes. His speech was no doubt written for him, itâs surprising that he didnât change the island of strangers to avoid winding up those of us who remember Enoch Powell and fear racism.
Thereâs some truth in the often repeated view, Labour didnt win, the Conservatives totally
Starmer has been trying to attract Reform voters, his "island of strangers" speech, as mentioned by Eleothan being a prime example. This, and Rachel Reeves's trickledown economics policies is what has led more left leaning voters to move away from Labour, this was happening long before any new party was being formed.
I donât disagree with what youâve said MaizieD, I was just pointing out that as your first sentence confirmed, the success of Reform cannot be, as Ilovecheese put it, âlaid squarely at Starmerâs doorâ.
I do think that we will see a different approach from the government by next spring, Iâm not expecting major changes before that.
I appreciate that, but what she posted was inaccurate.
I suppose 'inaccurate' depends on how you look at it. I don't think Reform's 'success' in the 2024 GE had much to do with Labour's policies.
So I'd kind of agree with you there, but I think that Reform's success in the local government elections this year were partially driven by Labour's startling failure to propose/implement anything which would make any improvement to 'ordinary' people's lives. Labour just insistently promised them more hardship.
You may think I'm being unfair in the light of attempts to enumerate Labour's 'achievements' over the past year, but Labour itself isn't shouting about them and their economic 'austerity' policy (we can't afford this and we can't afford that and people will have to endure a bit of hardship before it gets better) doesn't produce the instant 'change' that people were hoping for.
It's no good promising improvement in 2 or 3 (or 20) years time. Something big has to happen NOW. But it isn't...
Grantanow
Personally competent or not, Corbyn's new party will split the Labour vote and let Farage's party in. A disaster for which Corbyn will be responsible.
Perhaps Keir Starmer would have been wiser to keep Jeremy Corbyn in the party and lead a Labour Party that truly was a âbroad churchâ. If anyone has split the Labour vote it is Starmer himself.
As Tony Benn said âthe Labour Party has never been a socialist party, but itâs always had socialists in itâ. There is strength in a range of views. Perhaps Starmer just hasnât been in politics long enough to learn from the past.
MaizieD
Casdon
Ilovecheese
But the current leader is not at all left wing. I know that he said that he was left wing in order to secure the leadership but he is pretty much continuing with Conservative economic policy.
Reform was gaining ground well before this new party was announced. The success of Reform can be laid squarely at Starmer's door I believe.Thatâs illogical, given that it was the Tories who lost seats to Reform at the last election, not Labour?
But Labour isn't doing anything to counter Reform. So far they have just been attempting to 'outReform' them. Taking Labour much further to the right than many labour voters find acceptable.
I think that is what is informing Ilovecheese's comment.
I appreciate that, but what she posted was inaccurate.
An example of "attempting to out-Reform Reform" is the "an island of strangers" comment, which Starmer then apologised for. How can people have trust in him when he makes a statement and then, only when it causes a furore, realising he has made a tactical error, apologises for it?
I am not bashing Labour as I had been a member for many years and believe that the party achieved many good things during the times it was in power. I think the party now has an enormous mountain to climb. They will upset different people with almost every decision they make and it seems unfair because the chaos has not been their doing.
I think if they had not treated Corbyn so badly I would still be a member of the party, but I was so disappointed that they joined in with the attack dogs against Corbyn, rather than target the greed, inefficiency and corruption of the Conservative Party.
Anniebach
Owen Jones is so excited about Corbynâs party !
Even if I didn't know anything about Jeremy Corbyn or his new party that would be enough to put me right off! An Owen Jones endorsement is a red flag warning any time.
Casdon
Ilovecheese
But the current leader is not at all left wing. I know that he said that he was left wing in order to secure the leadership but he is pretty much continuing with Conservative economic policy.
Reform was gaining ground well before this new party was announced. The success of Reform can be laid squarely at Starmer's door I believe.Thatâs illogical, given that it was the Tories who lost seats to Reform at the last election, not Labour?
But Labour isn't doing anything to counter Reform. So far they have just been attempting to 'outReform' them. Taking Labour much further to the right than many labour voters find acceptable.
I think that is what is informing Ilovecheese's comment.
Ilovecheese
But the current leader is not at all left wing. I know that he said that he was left wing in order to secure the leadership but he is pretty much continuing with Conservative economic policy.
Reform was gaining ground well before this new party was announced. The success of Reform can be laid squarely at Starmer's door I believe.
Thatâs illogical, given that it was the Tories who lost seats to Reform at the last election, not Labour?
But the current leader is not at all left wing. I know that he said that he was left wing in order to secure the leadership but he is pretty much continuing with Conservative economic policy.
Reform was gaining ground well before this new party was announced. The success of Reform can be laid squarely at Starmer's door I believe.
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