So what do GNs think of Starmer’s decision to recognise Palestine as a state?

The parallel’s are alarming.

ronib

wwm2 care to give any examples?

Have you not heard of Holocaust deniers Ronib?

If we can’t believe the faked photos how can we believe anything much from the Gazan side?
There is hardship for the people there and deaths and injuries in this war against hamas and it’s supporters which nobody is denying that I can see. I think it’s coming to the end fairly soon.
What exactly will happen to Gaza then is unclear except that hamas can have no part in any further governance.
Israel has acted harshly yes, but in order to protect itself against further attacks it had to.

wwm2 care to give any examples?

babs3

Yes I have come to exactly that conclusion.

There are always deniers. We still see deniers over the horrors over the last war. No evidence, etc will ever convince them.

But it hardly matters because the actions that will be taken in future will be premised on fact and evidence not tribal emotions.

People will find a way to believe what they believe, several months of coming on here has underlined that. No matter what evidence is produced or how many bona fide reports are written, or how many western governments have now turned away from supporting the insupportable in Gaza, those who wish to dig in and square a circle will continue to do so.
I no longer want to convince them otherwise. Only to state what I - and a growing majority - believe to be the truth.
Whatever truth others cling to is their choice.

Anas Zayed Fteiha filmed orchestrating photo of children with empty bowls; agencies cut ties amid concerns over accuracy and independence,

By ANNABEL SINCLAIR
August 7, 2025, 12:27 pm
A German media investigation revealed that a Palestinian photographer staged some images taken in Gaza (Photo Credit:

There was no food ,and only children no adults, I failed to post photograph sorry,

seemingly queuing for food so was the picture described as children queuing for food?

Several major European picture agencies have stopped working with a Gaza-based photographer after a German documentary revealed he staged an image portraying hunger in the Strip.

Anas Zayed Fteiha, a contributor to Turkey’s state-run Anadolu Agency, was filmed arranging a photo of Palestinian children with outstretched empty bowls – seemingly queuing for food. But a wide-angle shot in the documentary, broadcast by Süddeutsche Zeitung, shows the scene was constructed in an open area with no aid distribution taking place.

Quote Smileless2012 Thu 07-Aug-25 14:14:21
I said that neither are mutually exclusive Annie because they're not. We know of course that Netanyahu agreed to a cease fire so the vaccinations could take place.

He could have agreed fearing polio would spread to Israel or out of concern for the Palestinian children, which for me seeing what's happening in Gaza seems extremely unlikely.

If this war was to stop him facing criminal charges, that doesn't mean that the end goal isn't to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza and that Trump's support is so Gaza can eventually be turned into a luxury holiday resort.

They were first posted as facts , no mention of end goals . Facts

I said that neither are mutually exclusive Annie because they're not. We know of course that Netanyahu agreed to a cease fire so the vaccinations could take place.

He could have agreed fearing polio would spread to Israel or out of concern for the Palestinian children, which for me seeing what's happening in Gaza seems extremely unlikely.

If this war was to stop him facing criminal charges, that doesn't mean that the end goal isn't to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza and that Trump's support is so Gaza can eventually be turned into a luxury holiday resort.

Photographs of two children who sadly had severe health
problems,

Much charity workers suddenly in Gaza

*one would expect Hamas to release photographs of the many dead who
allegedly starved to death , but no , they showed the world what they are doing to a hostage*

The international community, United Nations, Medicin San Frontier, Red Cross, Red Crescent, Oxfam and many doctors working in Gaza have supplied the pictures you are keen to see - starving people of Gaza.
Hamas has done another unspeakable act amongst many - why the surprise?
The truly shocking thing is that a democratically elected leader of a democratic county has launched this genocide and land grab and supported by a US President. Netenyahu is charged with crimes against humanity and Trump is a convicted felon! How can Israel even think they can claim moral superiority or being on the right side of history?

Wake up to reality - stop justifying mass murder.

Quote Smileless2012 Thu 07-Aug-25 13:04:40
None of them are mutually exclusive are they. Netanyahu ordered children in Gaza to be immunised and this was carried out by the UN.

Netanyahu started this war so we wouldn't have to appear in court to face the charges brought against him and Trump continues to support Israel, to free Gaza of Palestinians. For a luxury holiday resort? Who knows, only time will tell wont it.

Netanyahu ordered immunisation of children in Gaza to protect the children in Israel and UN who are not allowed in Gaza carried out Netanyahu’s order , I assumed in Gaza !
No thank you

Quote Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Aug-25 12:45:19
Anniebach
Misleading assertions ?

Netanyahu ordered children in Gaza to be immunised against
polio ! to protect children in Israel / UN claimed they immunised the children , which is true ? is either true ?

Netanyahu started the war to prevent having to appear court on alleged charges/ Netanyahu and Trump want Gaza free of
Palestinians so Gaza can be turned into a luxury holiday resort,
which is true ? is either true ?

So turn a blind eye and ignore the evidence of mass starvation, so much easier than facing the truth.

You post much Whitewave without evidence , one would expect Hamas to release photographs of the many dead who
allegedly starved to death , but no , they showed the world what
they are doing to a hostage

With respect i am not turning a blind eye, I questioned , it is you who is blinded

After all that is what happened to Germany after WW2. Did Germany started another war to get it back?

If ever there was proof your evidence is ill informed and ill educated - this is it

Thank you Phil51 facts are so needed and you give them

What? There were no ‘facts’ provided by Phil51, just denial of evidence that does not suit their viewpoint. Shame on you both.

Let me help you here-
There is evidence of the deliberate starvation of the people of Gaza
There is evidence of attacks on Jewish people just as there is of attacks on Christians, Hindu, Muslim and other religious groups across the world where they exist in a minority
This is not a ‘war in defence of Israel’. This is an attack on Gaza and its people, a land grab, a genocide.
The Israeli Government cannot keep claiming a special status for Jews because of the Nazi Holocaust or expecting ‘immunity’ from culpability. They are responsible for what is unfolding and their intent is crystal clear. Netanyahu is wanted for war crimes, his ally Trump is a convicted felon. They have expressed the intent to take full control of Gaza.

Shall Christians claim the right to ‘revenge’ because of the Romans Empitre crucifying followers of Jesus or for feeding their population to the lions? Shall Muslims claim it because of the Crusaders attacking their people and taking their lands? What about First Nation people across the globe - should the launch bloodthirsty attacks on us all for what our ancestors did?

It’s a genocide - a famine forced on the people of Gaza, whose innocent people outnumber the members of Hamas. I hope those responsible are subject to a War Trial and first up is Netanyahu and Trump!

Stop justifying the unjustifiable.

I imagine nothing would convince some people anyway. But of course if Hamas are faking it who is to say the Israeli government aren’t too? I imagine both sides use propaganda. To imagine otherwise is extremely naive.
I personally don’t base my judgement on a bunch of photos but upon the reports from respected aid agencies and human rights agencies with people on the ground in Gaza. They say famine is unfolding. Perhaps those who really won’t be convinced will say they are in cahoots with Hamas or just making it up. Tbh it is of no consequence because the increasing evidence that genocide is taking place will not be ignored for much longer, certainly western allies are now increasingly cognizant of this.
What a few people with their own personal axe to grind wish to believe is entirely up to them

valdavi

You blame the war on "the sayings of a certain prophet" but later you state that "the Jews are back in their home land and will fight to keep it". Which is straight out of the Old Testament, not recent history.So your argument blames the war on the Koran and Old Testament both
There were some Jews in Palestine before the Zionist movement, but no more than in nieghbouring arab regions or Europe or Russia.

Yes you can argue that it has its roots in the Quaran and the OT, but Israel was a State in that land 3000 or so years ago. long before Islam, and they have been occupied by various invading forces who colonized it over the years. There were others before the Greeks, Romans etc and various Islamic groups, the British at the time of the Crusades, then the Mamluks, Turkey then eventually the British again after WW1, and then given back to Israel in 1948. This was in accordance with the agreement under the League of Nations, and later when the UN was established in its place.

Are you then saying that Poland, France etc didn't have the right to defend their countries againstGermany? Surely if the Arabs want the country of Israel removed, Israel has a right to defend itself. The defeated nation, the people who started the war in the first place have no right to claim they are the victims, or even complain if land is taken from them. After all that is what happened to Germany after WW2. Did Germany started another war to get it back?

so he wouldn't ....

None of them are mutually exclusive are they. Netanyahu ordered children in Gaza to be immunised and this was carried out by the UN.

Netanyahu started this war so we wouldn't have to appear in court to face the charges brought against him and Trump continues to support Israel, to free Gaza of Palestinians. For a luxury holiday resort? Who knows, only time will tell wont it.

Anniebach

Misleading assertions ?

Netanyahu ordered children in Gaza to be immunised against
polio ! to protect children in Israel / UN claimed they immunised the children , which is true ? is either true ?

Netanyahu started the war to prevent having to appear court on alleged charges/ Netanyahu and Trump want Gaza free of
Palestinians so Gaza can be turned into a luxury holiday resort,
which is true ? is either true ?

So turn a blind eye and ignore the evidence of mass starvation, so much easier than facing the truth.

Misleading assertions ?

Netanyahu ordered children in Gaza to be immunised against
polio ! to protect children in Israel / UN claimed they immunised the children , which is true ? is either true ?

Netanyahu started the war to prevent having to appear court on alleged charges/ Netanyahu and Trump want Gaza free of
Palestinians so Gaza can be turned into a luxury holiday resort,
which is true ? is either true ?

I don’t for one minute expect people to read the whole of that article, because it is telling most of us what we already know.

This is for the deniers.

Those who are posting misleading assertions, based on no evidence.

Those who turn a blind eye to children suffering.

This is for you - if you can stomach it.

The mathematics of famine are simple in Gaza. Palestinians cannot leave, war has ended farming and Israel has banned fishing, so practically every calorie its population eats must be brought in from outside.

Israel knows how much food is needed. It has been calibrating hunger in Gaza for decades, initially calculating shipments to exert pressure while avoiding starvation.

Palestinians crowd at a lentil soup distribution point in Gaza City, among them children and women holding pot and pans
Children and elderly people most vulnerable as Gaza famine deepens, warn experts
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“The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,” a senior adviser to the then prime minister, Ehud Olmert, said in 2006. An Israeli court ordered the release of documents showing the details of those macabre sums two years later.

Cogat, the Israeli agency that still controls aid shipments to Gaza, calculated then that Palestinians needed an average minimum 2,279 calories per person per day, which could be provided through 1.836kg of food.

Today, humanitarian organisations are asking for an even smaller minimum ration: 62,000 metric tonnes of dry and canned food to meet basic needs for 2.1 million people each month, or around 1kg of food per person per day.

As Gaza has slid into famine this summer, Israeli officials have variously denied the existence of mass starvation, claimed without evidence that Hamas steals and hoards aid, or blamed hunger on UN distribution failures, sharing pictures of aid pallets awaiting collection inside the border.

They pointed to deadly and chaotic food distributions by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, a US and Israeli-backed logistics startup, as proof that Palestinians had access to food.

Yet data compiled and published by Israel’s own government makes clear that it has been starving Gaza. Between March and June, Israel allowed just 56,000 tonnes of food to enter the territory, Cogat records show, less than a quarter of Gaza’s minimum needs for that period.

A malnourished Palestinian child sits on the floor with his mother
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Even if every bag of UN flour had been collected and handed out, and the GHF had developed safe systems for equitable distribution, starvation was inevitable. Palestinians did not have enough to eat.

A “worst-case scenario” famine is now unfolding in Gaza, UN-backed food security experts said this week. Food deliveries are “at a scale far below what is needed”, amid “drastic restrictions on the entry of supplies”, the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) said in a report citing Israeli figures on aid.

The Famine Review Committee, an independent group of experts that scrutinises IPC alerts, said food shipments “have been highly inadequate”, and singled out the GHF.

“Our analysis of the food packages supplied by the GHF shows that their distribution plan would lead to mass starvation, even if it was able to function without the appalling levels of violence that have been reported,” the FRC said.

In March and April Gaza was under total siege, with no food entering. In mid-May Netanyahu said shipments would restart because of international pressure over a “starvation crisis”.

Palestinians form a line to receive hot meals in Gaza’s al-Zeitoun neighbourhood on 31 July
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Data compiled and published by Israel’s own government makes clear that it has been starving Gaza. Photograph: Anadolu/Getty Images
Just a few weeks of extra aid shipments during the ceasefire in January and February this year provided enough calories to bring Gaza back from the brink of famine, UN data shows.

However, in May only a trickle of food returned, in quantities that served only to slow Gaza’s descent into starvation, not stop it. Two months on, the scale of suffering has now spurred another round of international outrage, including demands from Donald Trump to get “every ounce of food” to starving children.

In response Netanyahu has promised only “minimal” extra aid. The number of food trucks entering the territory has risen, but is still well below the minimum needed to feed Palestinians there, much less reverse a famine.

Air-dropped aid packages descend into Gaza
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Aid packages, dropped from a plane, descend into Gaza. Photograph: Hatem Khaled/Reuters
Airdrops, used intermittently throughout the war, have also restarted, with France, Germany, the UK, Egypt, Jordan and the UAE among the countries announcing flights even though parachuting in food is expensive, inefficient and occasionally deadly.

Last year at least 12 people drowned trying to recover food that landed in the sea, and at least five were killed when pallets fell on them.

In the first 21 months of war, 104 days of airdrops supplied the equivalent of just four days of food for Gaza, Israeli data shows, for a cost running to tens of millions of dollars. Spent on trucks, the same budget would deliver much more food, but the price of these flights is not only a monetary one.

They allow Israel and its allies to frame starvation as a catastrophe caused by logistics, not a crisis created by state policy.

Airdrops would usually be ordered as a last resort to feed people in emergency situations where hostile armed forces or geography make road deliveries impossible. In Gaza the only obstacles to driving aid across the border are restrictions imposed by Israel, an ally of many western nations including Britain, and armed with British and US weapons.

Two Israeli-based rights groups this week declared that Israel was committing genocide in Gaza, with reports citing evidence including the weaponisation of hunger. B’tselem described an “official and openly declared policy” of mass starvation.

Israel’s government knows how much food Gaza’s people need to survive, and how much food goes into the territory, and in the past used that data to calculate how much food was needed to avoid starvation.

The vast gap between the calories Gaza needs, and the food that has entered since March makes clear that Israeli officials are doing different maths today. They cannot pass responsibility for this human-made famine to anyone else, and nor can their allies.

This article was amended on 1 August 2025. It was 104 days of airdrops, not 104 individual flights, that provided the equivalent of just four days of food for Gaza in the first 21 months of the war, Israeli data shows.