So what do GNs think of Starmer’s decision to recognise Palestine as a state?

As I predicted all it has done is embolden Hamas, Israel is never going to agree to an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital
It’s a big step backwards in any ceasefire negotiations, it’s not just Starmer, pandering to public concern produced the opposite result.

I see Hamas has said it will not lay down its arms until there is a fully sovereign Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital. Unlikely to happen so Starner's plan to recognise the Palestinian state has backfired: there is no incentive for Hamas to release the hostages (they remain hargaining chips) or for Hamas to dis-arm.

There were Jewish Terrorist Groups active before the establishment of the State of Israel.

The King David Hotel bombing in Jerusalem was carried out by the militant Irgun Zionist Underground on July 22, 1946.

The bombing targeted the British administrative headquarters housed in the hotel, resulting in 91 fatalities and 46 injuries.

The 91 people killed and 46 injured included Arabs, Britons, and Jews.

The bombing drew widespread condemnation,
even from some Jewish leaders

And led to a period of intense conflict between the Irgun, other Zionist groups, and the British.

All on

www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Jewish+teroris+group+1940%27s+attack+on+hotel&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

So yes, lets put and end to this "only Palestinians are terrorists"
meme for once and for all, please?

He obviously hasn’t realised that Hamas will kill his children if they have the chance. I wonder if Lady Starmer has made him sleep on the couch and are his in-laws still talking to him?
I’m sure they both realise who are killing the children of Gaza! I’m sure we all see clearly that Hamas are not the only terrorists in the region.

Quote WithNobsOnIt Sat 02-Aug-25 22:15:46
Dear Me

What a mess?

Starmer often does stuff to take the heat off festering, domestic situations. Or does he want us to have even more people seeking Asylum over here?

Probably. Labour can't seem to get enough if them.

He is one of the most quietly, terifically arrogant men in poltics

Also interesting to note that Mrs Starner is Jewish. Hardly ever mentioned.

I wonder what she thinks of his decisions?

Why should the fact that Mrs Starmer is Jew be mentioned ?

Here you go - how to find out about your local interfaith/cultural organisation: great website and the means to find what you need to take part

www.interfaith.org.uk/activity/getting-involved

Hamas has reaffirmed that it will not agree to disarm unless a sovereign Palestinian state is established, in response to one of Israel's key demands in talks about a ceasefire in Gaza.

The Palestinian armed group said it was responding to remarks it attributed to US President Donald Trump's Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff that Hamas had "expressed its willingness" to lay down its weapons.

Israel considers the disarmament of Hamas one of several key conditions for any deal to end the conflict.
Indirect negotiations between Israel and Hamas to secure a ceasefire and the release of hostages stalled last week.

Dear Me

What a mess?

Starmer often does stuff to take the heat off festering, domestic situations. Or does he want us to have even more people seeking Asylum over here?

Probably. Labour can't seem to get enough if them.

He is one of the most quietly, terifically arrogant men in poltics

Also interesting to note that Mrs Starner is Jewish. Hardly ever mentioned.

I wonder what she thinks of his decisions?

Iam64

I’m still of the view Starmer was the best candidate. The candidates were Lisa Nandy, Rebecca Long Bailey and Keir Starmer . I’d never vote RLB, liked Lisa Nandy but didn’t feel she had the necessary experience or gravitas so voted KS. Of course there are things the govt did in its first twelve months im less delighted with. They’re doing good stuff under difficult circumstances. KS been good internationally and much as he was criticised for referring to the mess they walked into - it’s undeniable. All public services decimated

Back to the OP. Israel-Palestine beyond dreadful. As the uk position is support of a two state solution and in light of what we see in our tv, what is reported by reputable agencies, I now see no way forward but by recognising Palestine as a state.

Yes, I liked Lisa Nandy very much, in fact my own MP supported her, but she just did not have the experience, and I think that time has proved that right

Big example: one of the the issues facing the Labour Party at the time of the Leadership Election:

Centred on a Daily Mail challenge to all three Labour Candidates - demanding they back a ^Charter on Transgender Rights*

Obviously RLB supported it the charter full on, Lisa Nandy did unwillingly, and only Keir Starmer refused to back the charter.

Lisa is a wonderful MP, but that decision shows a lack of good judgement: no potential leader can make a commitment like that, without far far more consideration.

But she was behind a two state solution as early as Sept 2021 — then, as Shadow Foreign Secretary she reiterated her party's support for a two-state solution and the establishment of a Palestinian State.

BTW, Health secretary Wes Streeting and justice secretary Shabana Mahmood's difficulty in supporting the decision to back a Palestinian State has come at a cost:

it hardly needs to be said that a lot of voters who strongly support the Gazan people cannot understand why it was so hard for them and she other MP's to balance to interests of two communities, Our Jewish communities, and our Muslim communities

Both of course have a huge variety of views - they are not monolithic groups: I think for Starmer, and many others, including posters here of course, its important to find what the all have in common as opposed to what divides us.

I'm active in local interfaith/multicultural initiatives which have both groups and of course others as well too, we are trying to do this - bring together for the sake of the suffering Gazan and West Bank peoples - its worth looking out to see what is happening locally to see if you can get involved

I’m still of the view Starmer was the best candidate.

Me too. He came across as a steady pair of hands, perhaps a bit boring? but measured and sensible.

Unfortunately, he does sometimes look as if he's been caught on the hop and unsure of himself, strange when you consider his profession

Donating to Gaza only reputable Charities summary:

How to donate to the Red Cross Gaza Fund directly

donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/gaza-crisis-appeal?spm=Regular+Giving&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21455631486&gbraid=0AAAAAD_j2cD3abtRivW08WOMGyP28_Kk-&gclid=CjwKCAjw7rbEBhB5EiwA1V49nUDSBv_4VWmgBxpSgYLXJHWNtu63dLnxePJrewwqixkeSZlf2YdNQxoClp4QAvD_BwE

Donate to Water Aid

go to:

www.wateraid.org/uk/donate?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=19688239913&gbraid=0AAAAADwbITmAKNrdyOrCOq3pZQznc_12d

Protecting Our Jewish Community
cst.org.uk
Full description and donate button.

UNRWA
donate.unrwa.org/int/en/gaza

Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors without Borders)
www.msf.org
Specifically for Gaza
Call MSF UK on +44 (0) 20 7404 6600 and ask for the Supporter Care Team.
or write to uk.fundraising
@london.msf.org
and ask how to directly donate to Gaza

I’m still of the view Starmer was the best candidate. The candidates were Lisa Nandy, Rebecca Long Bailey and Keir Starmer . I’d never vote RLB, liked Lisa Nandy but didn’t feel she had the necessary experience or gravitas so voted KS. Of course there are things the govt did in its first twelve months im less delighted with. They’re doing good stuff under difficult circumstances. KS been good internationally and much as he was criticised for referring to the mess they walked into - it’s undeniable. All public services decimated

Back to the OP. Israel-Palestine beyond dreadful. As the uk position is support of a two state solution and in light of what we see in our tv, what is reported by reputable agencies, I now see no way forward but by recognising Palestine as a state.

Back to Starmer though …

I ditched the idea of Reform even though Farage talks a lot of sense.

Threw my hat back in the ring with Labour (my natural home from pre Boris days) but to say I’m disappointed with Starmer is an understatement. I thought ‘at least he’ll be a safe pair of hands’. I set the bar low enough to jump over too.

Unavoidable these days Iam
I’m wary of so much.. ‘propaganda’?

Deep Fake ? It’s a strange world where we usually respond by wondering where the truth lies

But WHY would they film & release?
To gladden the hearts of their supporters - whilst alienating so many more.
It doesn’t make sense. 🤔
Do we trust the source? Deep Fake?

Barbaric. Absolutely. 😈

Hamas has released a video of a Jewish hostage being forced to dig a grave - his own…

I will not post it, but it’s available if you google.

Taiwan has a stronger claim to statehood than Palestine. Will Starmer recognise it?
The UK may soon find itself in the invidious position of fighting for a people whose sovereignty it does not recognise.

Hamas refuses to disarm until Palestinian state recognised.

Thank you Allira

MaizieD

Oh, the image won't appear. Is it being moderated?

If it doesn't appear at all I'll ask the mods to remove the post

Sometimes it takes a while now.

Green Party most votes ,Labour and Libs almost same, Tories next , few from Reform.

Greens and Tories are not very inner cities are they ?

Keir Starmer has announced that the UK government will recognise Palestine as an independent state a) unless Israel agrees to a full ceasefire, allows aid in to Gaza, commits not to annex the West Bank, and commits to the two‑state solution in the long run and b) so long as Hamas also agrees to a ceasefire, releases all remaining hostages, fully disarms, and plays no role in governing Gaza. Which of the following comes closest to your view?

yougov.co.uk/topics/international/survey-results/daily/2025/07/30/aee81/1

4,350 GB adults surveyed.
Results divided into region, gender, politics, age, social grade.

If we have the choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, we’d rather be alive and have the bad image.
PM Golda Meir 50 years or so ago