So what do GNs think of Starmer’s decision to recognise Palestine as a state?

anniebach Why do you think virtually every organisation and every news outlet is now being being more forthright about what is actually happening in Gaza. And more and more well known Jewish people and organisations have expressed their horror at what is happening in Gaza.

Are you really saying that there are very rare cases of
starvation in Gaza, that all the photographs of people with gaunt faces and sunken eyes are somehow misrepresenting what is happening there?

The recognition of Palestine as a state is, in my opinion, a desperate ploy for countries to try and distance themselves from the fact that they have stood by and watched thousands and thousands of men, women and children being bombed, used for target practice and starved out of their homes.

Hamas was armed by Iran, much of the aid given to Gaza during the period before the October attack was used to construct and smuggle weapons.
Hamas don’t care how many die, they are fanatics every death is martyrdom, western liberalism is very weak against that doctrine, as we found out in Iraq and Afghanistan, to win you have to fight on their level

ronib

Iran and Qatar are definitely supporting Hamas. Turkey also?

Where do you get that from?
Qatar was a neutral mediator in talks between Israel and Hamas before the wheels came off the bus, I doubt Israel would want a pro Hamas country to act as a mediator. As for Turkey they have not made any moves to support Hamas and as a member of NATO are highly unlikely to.
As for Iran, as I said this is a country crippled by economic sanctions which cannot afford to support this conflict in a reliable manner.

In what way? How do you know this? Genuine question.

Iran and Qatar are definitely supporting Hamas. Turkey also?

Hamas has no support and certainly none on these threads.

I must also add that the pro peace demonstrators don’t support Hamas, even if it was in their power to do so, those present at such demos with pro Hamas banners are quickly dealt with by the police.

Anniebach

Quote ronib Mon 11-Aug-25 17:55:04
So if the situation in Gaza is so very severe, why is the government there not doing more to find an end to it? This suffering will go on indefinitely. When is Hamas going to back off?

Why would they , they have so much support to keep doing what they have always done, and they want to kill all Jews

What kind of support do Hamas have??
I don’t see it.
There are no surrounding Arab countries supporting them, they have no wish to do so, Iran has its own domestic troubles, it is teetering on economic collapse and fears another uprising of angry and dissatisfied Iranians, so any support from there will be unreliable.
So where is the support?
If you just mean the pro peace demonstrators etc., that doesn’t give them weapons or food.
They are increasingly becoming a spent force whereas Israel continues to be supported by super power the US.
Perhaps you could elaborate about ‘support’.

Quote ronib Mon 11-Aug-25 17:55:04
So if the situation in Gaza is so very severe, why is the government there not doing more to find an end to it? This suffering will go on indefinitely. When is Hamas going to back off?

Why would they , they have so much support to keep doing what they have always done, and they want to kill all Jews

Whitewavemark2

Oh I have absolutely no truck whatsoever with Hamas. But they are a tin pot terrorist unit that Israel has vast and excellent experience in fighting these sorts of groups.

They dealt with absolute precision with Hezbollah, a much bigger and more professional group tha Hamas has ever been. And have carried out similar exercise over many years, with other groups, Israel has never had a problem dealing with these, but strangely they seem to be utterly useless in dealing with Hamas. They have only ever publish one set of figures of dead Hamas, have never said how many they think there are left and don’t appear to have any success at all in the past few months. Frankly from such a professional army - I don’t believe it.

So the hostages languish in Hamas gaols whilst Israel fiddles around clearing the. North of Gaza for settlers to move in and as far as I am aware haven’t found a single hostage in months.

What on earth has happened to such professional army?

Not to mention the unarmed hostages the IDF shit.

There was a report on Sky about how many Israeli soldiers are committing suicide because of what they've seen in Gaza.

So if the situation in Gaza is so very severe, why is the government there not doing more to find an end to it? This suffering will go on indefinitely. When is Hamas going to back off?

www.nytimes.com/article/israel-gaza-aid.html?smid=url-share

Take a look at this NYT article Annie seeing as you trust this source.

Anniebach

One poor little child obviously very ill, as was the photograph of the child who the NYT said had a serious physical illness not starvation.

Am surprised you trust news sources like the NYT on this, am pretty sure you wouldn’t if it was against Netanyahu and his cronies.
Ten out of ten for cherry picking Annie.

WWM
Terrible images of children suffering.
There are no words.

Whitewavemark2

I wonder if Israel thinks that if it kills enough journalists it can kill the truth.

Don’t worry they will find enough to promote their propaganda message, we will hardly notice the difference.

I wonder if Israel thinks that if it kills enough journalists it can kill the truth.

The journalists were killed outside of the hospital that is caring for severely malnourished children.

The Israeli are desperate to keep this information from getting to the world, and put out lies like “the children are ill” or “ no one is hungry in Gaza because we have shipped shedloads of food in” or the journalists were Hamas.

But they have also said.

“We will stop all food, water and fuel from entering Gaza”

“We will clear Gaza of all Palestinians - and use whatever it takes to do so”

“We will facilitate foreign journalists to report from Gaza” well good luck with that one anyone who wants to report the truth!!

One poor little child obviously very ill, as was the photograph of the child who the NYT said had a serious physical illness not starvation.

I have asked for the second post to be zap.

It is bad enough first time around

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

This argument is not helpful.

https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202508/medium-4hzghl-img-1832.jpeg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202508/medium-88a8tj-img-1833.jpeg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202508/medium-d1ci1u-img-1831.jpeg

I never wanted to post photos like this, but the dead journalist wanted the world to see what genocide looks like.

Who am I to say whether he was right or wrong?

I’m having difficulty establishing if there are any journalists left in Gaza.

Does anyone know?

In Israel there is a garden with so many photographs of the victims murdered at a music festival in Israel 7th October 2023
378 young people enjoying a music festival, murdered

The funeral has taken place of the 5 journalists, murdered by Israel.

The deliberate killing of civilians is a war crime.

When this is over, the world must spend time to get back to the rule of law that underpinned international relations.

Without that we are doomed.