Corbyn’s new political party [Title edited by GNHQ at OP's request]

Schneider is apparently Corbyn's adviser, a co-founder of Momentum too, and he thinks this new party should be taking ideas from Lenin.

Schneider's wife is Starmer's Press Secretary 🤔

I find it rather worrying that politics is becoming so polarised.

Nobody cares about the truth. A bit of a blanket statement StripeyGran.

Allira 😁

I read this morning (somewhere) that Corbyn’s advisers have suggested he channels his ‘inner Lenin’. Says much.

Well, it's given us a laugh anyway!!

What I find funny is that it was written by someone called James Schneider (who?) who is, apparently, a Communications Director 😂😂😂

BlueBelle

Maybe you d like to ask HQ to amend your heading and post then FGT before you insult people further
Not good to build a whole thread on an untrue quote is it ?

Nobody cares about the truth.

Maybe you d like to ask HQ to amend your heading and post then FGT before you insult people further
Not good to build a whole thread on an untrue quote is it ?

Yes I could FGT, having actually studied Communism.

I don't think you could slide a Rizla paper between him and communist ideology.

In which case it’s still as silly.

Did he still quote it tho?

Apologies to all for my misunderstanding of a quote which i erroneously attributed to Corbyn. Mea culpa.

“Corbyn has a big ego and his new party will fail”, claims Reeves.

I’m another who thought ‘valence’ was something to hide the base of a bed, but I’ve just realised that that is ‘valance’ - isn’t it?
Anyway, I’m just about to google ‘valence’ - could be useful in a crossword one day.

Corbyn + communism? Though not a communist himself, Corbyn was a fellow traveller of communist causes and Soviet-aligned third-world political movements (?Venezula).

I don’t think you could slide a Rizla paper between him and communist ideology.

Yet another!

Misleading thread then.

So not a quote of what Corbyn said after all.

nightowl

Are you sure it was Jeremy Corbyn who said that FGT? I believe it was said by James Schneider in this interview reported in the online magazine ‘Sidecar’ which is part of the New Left Review ( and no, I was not aware of ‘Sidecar’ but felt interested to know where the quote came from).

www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/a-new-party-hard-work-for-an-exciting-possibility/

Never let the facts get in the way of a good boost to your prejudices FGT (and others).

Agreed nightowl. The words are not Corbyn’s but James Schneider's, political organiser and writer currently serving as Communications Director for Progressive International and co-founder of Momentum. They were spoken in an interview with Oliver Eagleton (son of Terry) for New Left Review. He makes it very clear he is talking theoretically.

I suggest OP reads the interview, then she might understand what he’s saying and even agree with the sentiments expressed.

newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/building-the-party

In contemporary Britain, the establishment has no story to tell: it says that everything is basically fine and you should shut up about your problems. The reactionary bloc, meanwhile, says that everything is bad: you can’t get an NHS appointment, housing is unaffordable, your pay has gone down, and the reason for all this is Muslims, migrants and minorities. When these are the only two narratives on offer, then the latter is likely to win, because at least it speaks to some real grievances. But the truth is that attacking minorities is itself a minority position. There might be a certain type of pervasive racism in Britain, but most people really do not spend their time thinking about how much they hate foreigners, so there is a clear opening for a different narrative. What we should be offering instead is ‘class war with a grin’. We should reject all the pieties of the political-media-state class, for they are hated by the public, and rightly so. We should create controversies rather than retreating from them. This communicative style is often called left populism. It involves drawing a big, bold line of antagonism in which there is unity on our side and division on the other. That line of antagonism is extremely simple: the reason for our problems is the bankers and the billionaires. They are at war with us, so we are going to war with them. We should aim to baffle and outrage the media establishment with a political style that is combative but also joyful. We should have meetings like those I’ve been describing, with music and food and discussion groups, and where people can come away with clear actions to carry out. This naturally means that the party should be based mostly outside Westminster; it should not be associated with blokes in suits who spend their time mumbling disingenuously to news cameras.

My dream is a party that hits with the same impact as ‘Turn the Page’, the opening track on The Streets’ debut album Original Pirate Material. Something you’ve never heard before, yet instantly recognisable; unmistakably British and rooted in everyday life, from the pubs to the pavements. A sound – or in our case, a politics – that effortlessly blends cultures and traditions, anchored in class and community but moving forward with confidence and style. We need to inhabit this sort of national-popular register. To put it in a more theoretical way, the efficacy of this kind of politics stems from unlocking the potential progressive valence of the ‘national’ dimension of the capital-nation-state triad.

Valence is the pleasantness (or unpleasantness) of an experience, associated with emotions and how they are perceived; put simply, how good (or bad) something makes someone feel.

Those of us despairing that some of the policies of this current Labour government are a far cry from socialism, welcome and feel rather good about what Corbyn and Sultana are aiming to do, in other words, progressive valence.

Iam64

That sentence reminds me of the socialist worker folks trying (and failing ) to persuade us to strike in the early eighties. It’s almost as though Jeremy Corbyn believes baffling us will lead to seeing him as dead clever

😂😂 indeed Iam!

I find the words
the efficacy of this kind of politics stems from unlocking the potential progressive valence of the ‘national’ dimension of the capital-nation-state triad
completely unintelligible. I'd probably call it "mumbo jumbo", (but I think that might be racist?) - whichever politician said them.

Perhaps it depends on our own perception or education, or turn of language. I actually found Boris' vocabulary and historical references more understandable than the above - and that's saying something!

Maybe one day we will find a great politician who can make his speeches more accessible to a wider audience. Though I'm not holding my breath.

Are you sure it was Jeremy Corbyn who said that FGT? I believe it was said by James Schneider in this interview reported in the online magazine ‘Sidecar’ which is part of the New Left Review ( and no, I was not aware of ‘Sidecar’ but felt interested to know where the quote came from).

www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/a-new-party-hard-work-for-an-exciting-possibility/

see a headline and know the poster

So true!

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Today he said (and I quote)

“the efficacy of this kind of politics stems from unlocking the potential progressive valence of the ‘national’ dimension of the capital-nation-state triad.”

Eh? Come again?
Us working class ‘oop North’ won’t be understanding a word of what tha’s saying lad.

Anyone else in the dark? Or is it just me who doesn’t follow his gobbledegook? 😂

How rude is this FGT

eazybee

^The results of the latest YouGov ‘Who would make the best Prime Minister’poll will surprise you then.^

No they wouldn't.
They simply show that Corbyn and Farage supporters believe polls predict results.

Check out YouGov polls methodology and accuracy ratings eazybee. If you had, you’d know that the sample of respondents is representative of the electorate, and that they use different respondents for each poll. I don’t support either Corbyn or Farage, but that doesn’t stop me accepting that cumulative poll results from YouGov are reliable indicators of the public mood.

Isn’t it funny how you see a headline and without looking you know who the original poster is 🤣🤣