Unfolding Genocide

ronib

Because it doesn’t fit your argument I guess?

No -quite the opposite. But it has no place on this thread.

If you want a greater understanding as to how this atrocity developed as a result of colonialism , I suggest you read books by Chinua Achebe and in particular “Things Fall Apart”

Or of course you can start another thread.

Because it doesn’t fit your argument I guess?

ronib

I was replying to Wwm2 - so war should be fought within certain parameters and so on . Well in the case of Biafra, that went right out of the window didn’t it?

😊 I am unlikely to forget the Nigerian Civil War as I studied it in depth at university.

There were particular circumstances leading up to that atrocity including interference by the west.

However, I am not going to go into that here.

I was replying to Wwm2 - so war should be fought within certain parameters and so on . Well in the case of Biafra, that went right out of the window didn’t it?

Quote TheatreLover Tue 26-Aug-25 10:12:54
The events of Bloody Sunday were investigated thoroughly by the Saville Enquiry, and concluded that the killings by the British Army were unjustified and unjustifiable for which David Cameron apologised formally.

The former soldier talking on LBC today was relating his experience that he and his colleagues were not given permission to return fire when fired on by the IRA and I have no reason to disbelieve him. My point was to compare his experience of the refusal of the British Army to put civilians at risk with the IDF’s indiscriminate killing of civilians.

Quote TheatreLover Tue 26-Aug-25 10:12:54
The events of Bloody Sunday were investigated thoroughly by the Saville Enquiry, and concluded that the killings by the British Army were unjustified and unjustifiable for which David Cameron apologised formally.

The former soldier talking on LBC today was relating his experience that he and his colleagues were not given permission to return fire when fired on by the IRA and I have no reason to disbelieve him. My point was to compare his experience of the refusal of the British Army to put civilians at risk with the IDF’s indiscriminate killing of civilians.

Those killed Bloody Sunday were civilians,

Anniebach

Quote TheatreLover Tue 26-Aug-25 08:38:57
A former member of the British armed forces was interviewed on LBC this morning.

He said that when he and his colleagues were fired on by the IRA in Northern Ireland they were refused permission to return fire for fear of harming civilians. Clearly, the IDF has no such qualms.

He described the behaviour of the IDF as sickening.

Bloody Sunday, or the Bogside Massacre,[1] was a massacre on 30 January 1972 when British soldiers shot 26 unarmed civilians during a protest march in the Bogside area of Derry,[n 1] Northern Ireland. Thirteen men were killed outright and the death of another man four months later was attributed to gunshot injuries from the incident. Many of the victims were shot while fleeing from the soldiers, and some were shot while trying to help the wounded.[2] Other protesters were injured by shrapnel, rubber bullets, or batons; two were run down by British Army vehicles; and some were beaten.[3][4] All of those shot were Catholics. The march had been organised by the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association (NICRA) to protest against internment without trial. The soldiers were from the 1st Battalion of the Parachute Regiment ("1 Para"), the same battalion implicated in the Ballymurphy massacre several months before.[5]

Thank you for reminding me about Bloody Sunday. I have responded to you at 10.12 today but omitted to make it clear that I was replying to you, for which I apologise.

The events of Bloody Sunday were investigated thoroughly by the Saville Enquiry, and concluded that the killings by the British Army were unjustified and unjustifiable for which David Cameron apologised formally.

The former soldier talking on LBC today was relating his experience that he and his colleagues were not given permission to return fire when fired on by the IRA and I have no reason to disbelieve him. My point was to compare his experience of the refusal of the British Army to put civilians at risk with the IDF’s indiscriminate killing of civilians.

ronib

What do you mean? Surely no one has forgotten the tragedy of Biafra?

No but that needs a different thread to discuss it properly. This is about Gaza.

What do you mean? Surely no one has forgotten the tragedy of Biafra?

ronib

Biafra?

What do you mean

Biafra?

Applause for Putin ,!

ronib

Nothing is going to stop Israel in the months ahead. Not Wikipedia nor any amount of adverse comment.
It’s a war Wwm2. You clearly don’t support Israel and that is your prerogative. As it’s ours to want a resolution which will endure in Gaza. Hamas in Gaza is untenable.

Perhaps it would help if I explained again.

After WW11 and the atrocities committed by Germany and indeed the allies, the world agreed that war should be fought within certain parameters which included no targeting civilians, hospitals, schools journalists etc.

Everyone signed up to that. And they did so for very good reasons. It has largely been adhered to by so called civilised states until recently.

We are now seeing both Russia and Israel deliberately targeting civilian areas etc.

Both committing war crimes and both leaders rightly being indicted.

There is a difference though. Heinous as Putin is he hasn’t yet deliberately used starvation as a weapon.

Yes it is brutal ronib which is why there are laws.

War is brutal.

ronib

How do you know that IDF were circling a hospital? AGAA4 IDF troops were being filmed and this footage could have been used to kill them do we think? It’s a war. How could Israel know? Troops were being filmed.

Why was the IDF by the hospital if not to attack which they did. The brave journalists got footage of the atrocity so we are able to see the IDF killing journalists and medical staff.

No wonder Netanyahu doesn't want journalists in Gaza. He hides the brutality.

Quote TheatreLover Tue 26-Aug-25 08:38:57
A former member of the British armed forces was interviewed on LBC this morning.

He said that when he and his colleagues were fired on by the IRA in Northern Ireland they were refused permission to return fire for fear of harming civilians. Clearly, the IDF has no such qualms.

He described the behaviour of the IDF as sickening.

Bloody Sunday, or the Bogside Massacre,[1] was a massacre on 30 January 1972 when British soldiers shot 26 unarmed civilians during a protest march in the Bogside area of Derry,[n 1] Northern Ireland. Thirteen men were killed outright and the death of another man four months later was attributed to gunshot injuries from the incident. Many of the victims were shot while fleeing from the soldiers, and some were shot while trying to help the wounded.[2] Other protesters were injured by shrapnel, rubber bullets, or batons; two were run down by British Army vehicles; and some were beaten.[3][4] All of those shot were Catholics. The march had been organised by the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association (NICRA) to protest against internment without trial. The soldiers were from the 1st Battalion of the Parachute Regiment ("1 Para"), the same battalion implicated in the Ballymurphy massacre several months before.[5]

I don't support war. Civilised societies, no-one, should solve their disputes using violence. Full stop.

We used to know that land as the Holy Land. It's Wholly Hell now.

Quote AGAA4 Tue 26-Aug-25 08:32:06
ronib
A camera on the roof of the hospital. Filming Israeli troops. It was thought.
It was a Reuters journalist on a balcony of the hospital who the IDF killed.
Of course he would be filming if the IDF were circling a hospital. Hospitals are out of bounds in wars for civilised countries.

Hamas and civilised ! I Certainly don’t agree with this

How do you know that IDF were circling a hospital? AGAA4 IDF troops were being filmed and this footage could have been used to kill them do we think? It’s a war. How could Israel know? Troops were being filmed.

A former member of the British armed forces was interviewed on LBC this morning.

He said that when he and his colleagues were fired on by the IRA in Northern Ireland they were refused permission to return fire for fear of harming civilians. Clearly, the IDF has no such qualms.

He described the behaviour of the IDF as sickening.

Nothing is going to stop Israel in the months ahead. Not Wikipedia nor any amount of adverse comment.
It’s a war Wwm2. You clearly don’t support Israel and that is your prerogative. As it’s ours to want a resolution which will endure in Gaza. Hamas in Gaza is untenable.

ronib

A camera on the roof of the hospital. Filming Israeli troops. It was thought.

It was a Reuters journalist on a balcony of the hospital who the IDF killed.
Of course he would be filming if the IDF were circling a hospital. Hospitals are out of bounds in wars for civilised countries.

Amongst the journalists there were individuals working Reuters, World Press, and USA news outlets, as well as U.K.
All those well known Hamas supporting media’s.

Babs03

Journalists and aid workers working in Palestinian territories have been killed by the IDF for decades, this is nothing new but certainly off the scale when it comes to the numbers.
Of course they are being targeted. Netanyahu doesn’t want any witnesses to the mass murder he is committing.

For comparison, about 60 journalists, including war correspondents, photographers and cameramen, were killed during the Vietnam war (1955-1975).