Unfolding Genocide

thousands buried under rubble! You’re letting your imagination get the better of you.

Quote Oreo Thu 21-Aug-25 21:35:22
Oh well if the Guardian says it then it must be true!🤔

“Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is a famous phrase used to express skepticism about the manipulative power of statistics”

To be honest most of us don’t need those statistics confirmed, one look at Gaza now and how it has been levelled by heavy duty bombs would persuade most of us that there have been countless civilian fatalities, indeed I would imagine that 62,000 is a modest estimate, for there are thousands buried under mountains of rubble who have not been counted.
The final figure will probably be even more staggering, if it is ever known.
People in Gaza don’t have a protective dome or bomb shelters, or anywhere to run to, so to imagine that those statistics are a fiction is to fly in the face of what is starkly and insupportably a heinous reality.

Whitewavemark2

guardian reporting that IDF data show that 83% of people killed are civilians.

They more or less agree with the figures produced by Gaza

They more or less agree with the figures produced by Gaza

I didn't think foreign journalists were allowed into Gaza

And The Guardian😄

Quote Oreo Thu 21-Aug-25 21:35:58
Produced by Gaza means figures produced by hamas.

Much trust in Hamas

Produced by Gaza means figures produced by hamas.

Oh well if the Guardian says it then it must be true!🤔

Whitewavemark2

guardian reporting that IDF data show that 83% of people killed are civilians.

They more or less agree with the figures produced by Gaza

Shameful. Utterly shameful.😞

The total Hamas killed to date was just over 8000

I can well believe those figures. The excuse that many were Hamas was a lie.

guardian reporting that IDF data show that 83% of people killed are civilians.

They more or less agree with the figures produced by Gaza

Quote Onlymedea Thu 21-Aug-25 18:59:35
So why bring that up when we are discussing a man who clearly is a survivor? The implication was that he was just someone in Hungary not a survivor.

Tell us how you would decide who is a survivor?

I didn’t disagree, I just included all who lived in Europe at that time and asked were they all Holocaust survivors

So why bring that up when we are discussing a man who clearly is a survivor? The implication was that he was just someone in Hungary not a survivor.

Tell us how you would decide who is a survivor?

Quote Onlymedea Thu 21-Aug-25 18:48:09
As a young child he was separated from his family, he lived with the risk of being discovered, his father was in a concentration camp. I don't think he needs to justify his qualification as a survivor to you or anyone else.

Good grief, so aggressive, I asked because it certainly increases the number of Holocaust survivors , all I said of the man was “he has written a book and given many tv interviews “

As a young child he was separated from his family, he lived with the risk of being discovered, his father was in a concentration camp. I don't think he needs to justify his qualification as a survivor to you or anyone else.

Quote growstuff Thu 21-Aug-25 18:37:43
I don't understand the point you're making Annie. Are you claiming that Stephen Kapos doesn't understand the Holocaust or the effects of anti-semitism?

Just asking , is every Jew in Europe at that time a Holocaust survivor?

I don't understand the point you're making Annie. Are you claiming that Stephen Kapos doesn't understand the Holocaust or the effects of anti-semitism?

Babs03

theworriedwell

Very moving to listen to Stephen Kapos a holocaust survivor on GMB. He said what Gazans are experiencing now mirror what happened in the holocaust and said what is happening is genocide. He seemed an amazing man who has suffered so much.

Particularly moving when Adil Ray got up and put his arms round him.

He is not alone, have heard that other holocaust survivors see similar painful parallels.
Well done to Stephen Kapos for speaking out, it can’t have been easy.

This is a long interview, but the first few minutes are worth watching:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=szW-uXaa8as

Quote Babs03 Thu 21-Aug-25 18:19:15
Anniebach
So every Jew in Europe at that time was a Holocaust survivor?
You’ve lost me there Annie.
Who is saying every Jew in Europe was a holocaust survivor?

I read the following-

My parents, in contrast, had no interest in Israel. After the Second World War, they remained in Hungary, joined the Communist Party and lived professional lives influenced by left-wing, anti-racist views. Contact with family in Israel was rare (and considered risky in Stalinist Hungary), and they thought them strange.

Born in Budapest in July 1937, I was separated from my parents and hidden as a child under the Swiss Red Cross and Hungarian Protestant church, which saved over 2,000 Jewish children. My mother was in a girl’s place and my father, a doctor, was part of the Kasztner train project but never reached Switzerland – Hitler discovered the plan. He was held in Belsen as a hostage, not an inmate, and was allowed to act as a doctor. He saw people beaten to death and frozen bodies stacked like logs. Like the Palestinians today, I experienced fear and destruction all around.

Anniebach

So every Jew in Europe at that time was a Holocaust survivor?

You’ve lost me there Annie.
Who is saying every Jew in Europe was a holocaust survivor?

So every Jew in Europe at that time was a Holocaust survivor?

theworriedwell

Very moving to listen to Stephen Kapos a holocaust survivor on GMB. He said what Gazans are experiencing now mirror what happened in the holocaust and said what is happening is genocide. He seemed an amazing man who has suffered so much.

Particularly moving when Adil Ray got up and put his arms round him.

He is not alone, have heard that other holocaust survivors see similar painful parallels.
Well done to Stephen Kapos for speaking out, it can’t have been easy.

theworriedwell Thu 21-Aug-25 17:56:59
Very moving to listen to Stephen Kapos a holocaust survivor on GMB. He said what Gazans are experiencing now mirror what happened in the holocaust and said what is happening is genocide. He seemed an amazing man who has suffered so much.

Particularly moving when Adil Ray got up and put his arms round him.

He has written a book and given many TV interviews for quite some time, he said he was protected by the Swiss Red Cross ,

Very moving to listen to Stephen Kapos a holocaust survivor on GMB. He said what Gazans are experiencing now mirror what happened in the holocaust and said what is happening is genocide. He seemed an amazing man who has suffered so much.

Particularly moving when Adil Ray got up and put his arms round him.