Will Trump really support Ukraine at meeting with Putin?

I'm glad the European leaders will be there to make sure Trump doesn't bully Zelensky as he has before.

I doubt Putin will agree to ceasefire till he gets what he wants and Zelensky won't give him the Donbas area.

I guess that with all this talk about security guarantees, land etc the first and most important thing is to secure a ceasefire.

Then everything can flow 🤞 from there.

Zelensky can’t agree to any land be in given to Putin, because it is against the Ukrainian constitution.

Someone mentioned a sort of loan affair (?)

In my view we definitely do not want a repeat of the last two wars where might grabbed land.

Whether or not this NATO type guarantee comes into force, Ukraine definitely needs some sort of security guarantee, and unfortunately at present the USA must be part of that guarantee.

If he doesn't agree, Trump will blame him for there being no end in site to this war because he's already said that it's up to Zelensky to bring this about, but why should he? He can't trust Trump anymore than he can trust Putin.

Putin wants the Donbas area in Ukraine. Trump will probably urge Zelensky to agree.
This is serious as taking land from another country opens the door to more land being taken in future.

I’m pleased Zelensky has support at his meeting with weasel Trump, but I don’t feel any optimism about the outcome. Trump has made it clear he has moved over to the dark side and is under Putin’s control.

The thought of traitor Trump coming over to the U.K. soon must fill the King with horror.

Yes I do think he will agree.

Well what a lovely play on words - a NATO type article 5 but still a complete prohibition on joining NATO.
Ukraine has had assurances from the UK and USA before. Do you think Zelensky will agree ? Seems a bit down the rabbit hole to me.

I think the most important thing now is to make clear to both Trump and Putin that Ukraine is a Partner in the full sense of the word. Europe has now taken over from the USA in support of Ukraine both financially and militarily.

We must then sort out the military aspect around Europe. The point being that whether or not we are ready, we must be ready in order to defend Europe snd our interests. Our troops must be fully prepared and given everything they need to defend ourselves. Finland and Poland have done it now we must all follow.

It is beginning to look like a possible NATO type article 5 is on the table, so Ukraine will be able to count on the USA and Europe in the event of Putin attacking after peace is restored.

Not too bad, as Putin won’t be around for ever, and ukraine can always if it wishes apply to NATO once Putin has gone and things have calmed down.

CNN Witkoff doing the Sunday political round has said that the Russians - in Alaska - agreed to a NATO type security arrangement with the USA and Europe for Ukraine.

Thst is massive as Russia hasn’t moved sn inch on this for decades.

Mind you Witkoff doesn’t know his arse from his elbow, so he might be wrong - as proved the case on his last visit to Russia.

Trump has one concern only . Donald Trump. What can he get for himself whether it is yet more ill gotten gains, a nobel prize which he would never in a month of sundays be worthy of,. Why would anyone trust someone who is a liar, molests women, cant be trusted or believed as he changes his mind with the wind. Other dictators have at least made decisions which you can decide on one way or another. You have to walk on the left on thursday or wear a burkah or whatever. This lunatic cannot even remember what he decided yesterday and changes his mind from day to day. He thinks he has the right to tell sovereign countries that he is going to take them over - like he did with Greenland - I was there at the time and can tell you that there was only a two fingered gesture and not one person I spoke to wanted to belong to his group of trigger happy kkk type people even if there were asked not told!! The parallels with Hitler, claiming other peoples land and thinking he has a right to just walk roughshod over other nations , is obvious.
The only possible other explanations for his changes of mind every other day and conveniently forgetting what he said last week is that he is starting with dementia. The best excuse you could offer for his behaviour. Why is any right thinking person following this appalling person who even suggested that people should attack their own government, if he does not get his own way. To think that he is even allowed to decide anything is both terrifying and appalling. Time countries banded together and said that they will not accept his appalling arrogant behaviour. To think that in years to come someone could say that they supported him. They would hide such a dirty secret. He thinks he has the right to interfere with other countries situations but is stupid enough to think that Putin gives a toss what he says and will carry on his appalling bombing of Ukraine to suit his own ends. For heavens sakes lets get some intelligent and reasonable people to deal with the problems there are and keep him out of it

Whitewavemark2

TBH I think Trump supports Putin.

I agree. I think it's already a done deal that Russia will get what it wants.

NanKate

Trump is full of words but whether he will achieve anything I don’t know.

He could walk away and blame Zelensky.

I think that may well happen☹️
Seeing Putin get the red carpet treatment and contrasting that with how Zelensky was last treated by Trump in the oval office is very worrying.

Going back to promises...
As ronib says we didn't keep ours to Ukraine either.

No because he's Putins buddy, Putin helped him win the election.

He made it clear whose side he's on when he spoke to Zekenski like he was a child.

Trump wants to make money and look like the all mighty powerful leader and if he can't then he's not interested.

Whitewavemark2

Russia has already lost about 10 times plus the amount of soldiers compared to WW2.

I don’t see how this can be sustained.

Putin has managed so far by paying the soldiers more than the average salary in Russia, but I think I read that the economy is slipping and so soldiers wages will be cut back.

I don't think that's true WW. Between 8-10 million Soviet troops were killed in WW2. Russia is secretive about how many military deaths there have been in the current conflict, but most estimates seem to be about 250,000 with up to a million injured. That's still a lot, of course - it's about the population of Derby or Plymouth. About 383,600 UK military personnel were killed in WW2.

Puttin mentioned for peace he not only wants the Donbas region he also wants Ukraine to give up being an Independent Sate which I feel is being really harsh.
Does that mean he wants Moldova also.

I believe a lot is due to not only Ukraine being on the boarder of Russia they also want their mines and gran

Two bullies supporting each other.
I feel so sorry for the people of Ukraine.

4allweknow

Can't understand why Trump would want Ukraine to give land away to Russia. Didn't Trump recently buy some area in the east along with mining rights? Wonder how Trump would feel if he was being pressured to give Alaska back to Russia.

Probably to gain favour with Putin. He still seems to think if he can be instrumental in stopping the war, he'll get a Nobel Peace Prize.

Can't understand why Trump would want Ukraine to give land away to Russia. Didn't Trump recently buy some area in the east along with mining rights? Wonder how Trump would feel if he was being pressured to give Alaska back to Russia.

Russia has already lost about 10 times plus the amount of soldiers compared to WW2.

I don’t see how this can be sustained.

Putin has managed so far by paying the soldiers more than the average salary in Russia, but I think I read that the economy is slipping and so soldiers wages will be cut back.

Unfortunately it is true about the promise made to Ukraine when they gave uptheir nuclear weapons, in 1992. They would be protected by both the USA and Russia.