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Sudan, the forgotten war

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 15-Aug-25 12:32:51

Cholera has broken out.

Dirty water.

I would think this is a high risk in Gaza as well.

SueDonim Thu 14-Aug-25 15:06:45

Anniebach

Quote SueDonim Thu 14-Aug-25 12:46:42
Sudan pops up in my news fairly regularly. My guess is that people don’t take as much interest because it’s a civil war and the only people who can really bring it to a close are the Sudanese themselves. Ditto for Yemen.

People are starving, people are dying ,

Don’t be so patronising Annie. I’m not a three year old child. angry

GrannyGravy13 Thu 14-Aug-25 15:03:50

escaped

I've noticed while watching tv that France gives a lot of air time to Sudan. There are also pleas for donations.
I'm puzzled as to why there is so much less coverage in the UK? I don't just mean because of the French connection, but because when it comes to children dying every war should have as near equal coverage as possible.

Yes, that is why I started this thread, Sudanese children along with Yemeni children are just as important as Palestinian children.

escaped Thu 14-Aug-25 14:57:46

I've noticed while watching tv that France gives a lot of air time to Sudan. There are also pleas for donations.
I'm puzzled as to why there is so much less coverage in the UK? I don't just mean because of the French connection, but because when it comes to children dying every war should have as near equal coverage as possible.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 14-Aug-25 14:48:59

Yes

growstuff Thu 14-Aug-25 14:46:55

Whitewavemark2

The UEA has been complicit in the genocide for a number of years and its funding of the RSF has aided this disaster.

Interested to read that Israel has approached Sudan to try to persuade it to accept displaced Palestinians.

Israel of course has friendly and full diplomatic relations with UEA.

For Palestinians, being sent to Sudan would be like transferring from the pan to the fire. Sudan has a different cultural history from the Levant and Sudanese speak a different form of Arabic. There are already tribes who don't integrate, which is at the root of many of the problems. Palestinians would be an extra tribe to complicate the situation even more. Egypt already hosts about half a million refugees from Sudan.

growstuff Thu 14-Aug-25 14:36:45

Anniebach

Thank you GrannyGravy and TerriBull , people dying if not in war unless Gaza of no concern

My son-in-law is half Sudanese/half Yemeni and still has family in both countries. Sometimes his parents talk about the countries. His father went to Sudan last year when his own father died. My sil's uncle and family had the opportunity to emigrate years ago. The uncle is a medical consultant and speaks good English, but he opted to stay and work in his own country, despite the fact that his own son has been badly injured when he was caught up in cross-fire between two groups.

My son-in-law doesn't talk about the situation in either country from a political perspective or offer online "armchair" solutions; his family is concerned about their relatives, so have a different take on the situation.

None of that has anything to do with antisemitism. The situations in both Yemen and Sudan are caused by civil wars and is quite complicated - as another poster pointed out, the only people who can bring any resolution are the Yemenis and Sudanese themselves. What is happening in Gaza and the West Bank is very different - apart from the innocent dead civilians, of course.

ronib Thu 14-Aug-25 14:25:35

According to AI, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Eritrea, Russia, Ethiopia, Iran and Ukraine support SAF.
UAE. Chad and Ethiopia support RSF.
Somehow allegedly Israel is on both sides of the conflict.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 14-Aug-25 14:06:59

The UEA has been complicit in the genocide for a number of years and its funding of the RSF has aided this disaster.

Interested to read that Israel has approached Sudan to try to persuade it to accept displaced Palestinians.

Israel of course has friendly and full diplomatic relations with UEA.

TheatreLover Thu 14-Aug-25 14:05:00

GrannyGravy13

The ongoing war in Sudan seems to go unnoticed, why?

Over 150,000 dead, 12 million have fled.

24 million are facing acute food insecurity as of June 2025, basically they are starving and over 500,000 are suspected to have already died of malnutrition.

Why isn’t this conflict considered as serious or newsworthy as the Israel/Gaza conflict?

That's a very good question and one that I can't answer. I did see a headline in one of the newspapers today concerning Sudan, and there is a lot of publicity about Ukraine at the moment. There is more media attention about the Israel/Gaza war, and I am wondering, and I am quoting ChatGPT here, part of the reason for more publicity may be because although 'Sudan may surpass Gaza in human cost overall, Gaza's war is more concentrated, deadlier, relative to its population than Sudan, and more internationally destabilising"?

Personally speaking, I am horrified at what is going on in Gaza and the West Bank. My understanding is that at least the journalists are allowed into Sudan, though many have been killed, but it does seem unfair for some GransNetters to accuse other posters of believing the propaganda of Hamas, when the international journalists are not allowed in.

I can't answer your question, but it has certainly prompted me to read up on the present situation in Sudan.

Anniebach Thu 14-Aug-25 13:55:09

Thank you GrannyGravy and TerriBull , people dying if not in war unless Gaza of no concern

Whitewavemark2 Thu 14-Aug-25 13:52:17

Sudan at present is where Palestine used to be - a footnote, although a member of my family whose ancestral country is full of Sudanese refugees always insures that we are very up to date with that area.

I would be more than happy to discuss the history of that area and how it got to where it is now.

Of course entirely different to Israel and its territory, but very interesting none-the-less.

ronib Thu 14-Aug-25 13:26:59

I have been making greengage jam to stop thinking.

Oreo Thu 14-Aug-25 13:19:25

TerriBull well said.
I too knew this wouldn’t be a popular thread.Even the Ukraine situation holds no interest for a lot of posters I think.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 14-Aug-25 13:08:01

TerriBulk thank you, excellent post 👏👏👏

TerriBull Thu 14-Aug-25 12:49:37

I think there is a lot of antisemitism around, I do worry for our beleaguered Jewish community, their numbers are small, diminishing in fact, I hate this pile on in a history repeating itself kind of way, possibly my empathy is personal, my maternal grandfather was half Jewish and the persecution and demonisation, they as a people have had to endure down the centuries has been, unparalleled, unremitting and so unjustified and for the most spurious of reasons. In my late teens, I worked for a Jewish firm, I learnt a lot from them in a positive way, but I would say as far as Israel is concerned there was a definite tunnel vision there, but they were of the generation who lost family to the Holocaust. I imagine the horror of those cruelties would be so hard wired it would and did and for ever more will shape their consciousness. I'll never forget visiting Israel and at a beach side cafe on the next table where a group of older people with their tattoos visible such a testament to the sheer inhumanity of what happened and Israel well for those people it was a sanctuary.

One of my sons is so anti Netenyahu and the IDF he fully subscribes to they, the Israelis, are committing genocide I do understand his point of view when I'm talking to him I sometimes keep reminding him what initiated it all, at times I almost feel that's been airbrushed away.

Going back to the Sudanese and how we appear as a society to be so partisan in where we direct our anger and condemnation. I do believe there is subliminal rationale in the expectation to view certain demographics in a positive light, there is definitely "lets not talk about the complicity in what they inflict on their own and abhorrent cultural practices" and yes they do go unnoticed in comparison to say the undoubted awfulness of Gaza, Sudan well it's just not in the news much any more, if at all.

Anniebach Thu 14-Aug-25 12:48:54

Quote SueDonim Thu 14-Aug-25 12:46:42
Sudan pops up in my news fairly regularly. My guess is that people don’t take as much interest because it’s a civil war and the only people who can really bring it to a close are the Sudanese themselves. Ditto for Yemen.

People are starving, people are dying ,

SueDonim Thu 14-Aug-25 12:46:42

Sudan pops up in my news fairly regularly. My guess is that people don’t take as much interest because it’s a civil war and the only people who can really bring it to a close are the Sudanese themselves. Ditto for Yemen.

Anniebach Thu 14-Aug-25 12:44:24

Quote GrannyGravy13 Thu 14-Aug-25 12:37:14
Just as I thought, no interest despite the casualties, malnutrition and deaths being far more than in Gaza…

I care, I live in a nursing home, some nurses from other countries not Wales I learn much from them

GrannyGravy13 Thu 14-Aug-25 12:37:14

Just as I thought, no interest despite the casualties, malnutrition and deaths being far more than in Gaza…

Anniebach Thu 14-Aug-25 11:32:55

I truly believe it antisemitism, Lily Ebert was asked if she feared another Holocaust, she said “it’s happening now, the Holocaust began with words “ her g grandson Dove Forman continues with her life’s work

Oreo Thu 14-Aug-25 11:24:46

It does make you wonder doesn’t it? Because a lot of people dislike Israel and don’t want it to prosper?Dislike of Jews? There’s a lot of antisemitism around in most countries as you probably know.
The situation in Sudan is far worse than in Gaza.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 14-Aug-25 11:10:50

The ongoing war in Sudan seems to go unnoticed, why?

Over 150,000 dead, 12 million have fled.

24 million are facing acute food insecurity as of June 2025, basically they are starving and over 500,000 are suspected to have already died of malnutrition.

Why isn’t this conflict considered as serious or newsworthy as the Israel/Gaza conflict?