Setting a precedent?

Might have been a while back, not now though.

Galaxy

I don't know about revolution but I am worried, I am not sure it is going to be pretty. Do people think it is all going to calm down and everyone will nod wisely 'oh I see you were right all along diversity is our strength after all'.

No, I don’t think it is going to calm down. I don’t think it is a solvable issue though, do you?

they don't arrive in their thousands

32,000 is hardly hordes!!!

46,000 illegal immigrants have arrived in boats since Labour got in.

So, what exactly is the definition of thousands?
I thought I knew but obviously opinions must vary about what constitutes thousands

(Confused emoji for explanation.)

Hate is the wrong words actually they want to control social media, it is quite frequently the default solution to complex problems.

sundowngirl
If someone has been processed as illegally here they will be waiting deportation.

We will not be staying here again."
Very prescient! 😀

Nobody knows about legality until we process the applications, Primrose53

These people are seeking asylum.
Their status is yet to be determined, obviously.

Hear, hear butterandjam 👏👏👏

Galaxy

I use the word liberals doodledog because I don't really want to use the word left anymore, I think left and right are becoming increasingly inaccurate descriptors, and contempt for the working class isn't particularly left wing I am not talking about individual posters but rather an approach from a section of society ( mainly liberal middle class) towards those who express concerns on this issue (mainly the working class).

I didn't think you were having a go at anyone on here, but th fact remains that I don't understand where you get the idea that 'liberals' (or 'lefties, come to that') hate social media. That's not my liberal leftie experience at all.

Again, I agree that writing off the opinions of others is dangerous, and I am not hopeful for the future either, but respect has to go both ways, and kowtowing to inflammatory language and propaganda is not the way forward, IMO.

I can't help thinking that deliberately choosing vocabulary in a ^"backatcha"

It was meant in a very much "backatcha" kind of way; particularly because growstuff had thought her comment was so smart she accompanied it with a laughing emoji. Not much respect there was their? But it very much proves my point; it's that kind of put down, dismissive attitude that creates resentment and anger for those who are most impacted by unmanaged immigration; shut them down and accuse them of racism for too long and they'll express their frustrations in other ways. The government is only now coming to realise this; perhaps other posters should too. It's not the best way forward.

windmill1

Hordes, and I mean hordes, of single fighting age young men, dispersed amongst the population in HMO's?

No thanks.

They have already shown what little - if any - regard they have for women by abandoning their own kind to poverty, persecution and abuse,

AIUI, many of those "fit young men" have been chosen and funded by their family back home, to be sent at huge expense to the affluent west in the hope they are young, resilient and tough enough to make a living there, and send money back home.

Far from having cowardly "deserted" their family, they've "gone west" as pioneers; just like the early emigrants to America and Canada (who were often the poor and desperate from Europe and Britain).

Or, closer to home and in time; look at all the single migrants who came to Britain after WW2 from The Caribbean, India, Pakistan. They had left behind their families including small children, because they were the designated family member most likely to "make it" in a cold country thousands of miles from home. But often at huge cost to themselves ; lonely, resented and rejected by the new country. Their assimilation and acceptance took decades.

I don't defend any crooks and criminals among the new migrants; but we should all try to remember that sometimes the most desperate and dangerous aspects of political and economic migration actually marks out the best qualities in young people; ambition, fearless determination to risk everything for a better future; and for the family they left back home.

I don't know about revolution but I am worried, I am not sure it is going to be pretty. Do people think it is all going to calm down and everyone will nod wisely 'oh I see you were right all along diversity is our strength after all'.

I use the word liberals doodledog because I don't really want to use the word left anymore, I think left and right are becoming increasingly inaccurate descriptors, and contempt for the working class isn't particularly left wing I am not talking about individual posters but rather an approach from a section of society ( mainly liberal middle class) towards those who express concerns on this issue (mainly the working class).

there is no revolution ahead

Wouldn’t be so sure about that.

Thank you for replying.

I agree with your view that calling people names and dismissing their fears is dangerous, but can't help thinking that deliberately choosing vocabulary in a 'backatcha' sort of way is every bit as inflammatory. And yes, deliberately confrontational. Both 'sides' of this discussion have to be respectful of one another if any progress is to be made.

Can you explain why you highlighted 'hordes' please?

I highlighted it purely because growstuff was so dismissive of another poster using that word. It's being dismissive of people's worries, concerns, and the words that they use to describe those worries and concerns, that have led us to the situation we have today; demonstrations, protests, disenfranchised people who feel that they're being shut down and should just accept the huge changes that thousands of single males bring to their communities. Telling people that they're being "deliberately confrontational", racist, paranoid and "having a victim complex" has worked well so far to stop people raising their concerns; but it's running out of steam. I'm no Mystic Meg, but I sincerely hope that their isn't another incident of an asylum seeker found to have been involved with sexually abusing, or harming another young girl; current public feeling is a tinder box just waiting to go off. Calling them names will only inflame them more.

Galaxy

There is no way for people to talk about this issue, doing it via the ballot box has failed, speaking about it they are labelled stupid or racist, or the language they use is wrong, I have no idea how people think this is going to resolve itself but certainly saying people are stupid or 'led by other forces' is not going to help.

It is not going to ‘resolve itself’ though, however much people talk about it, protest, or whatever. A change of government would see a continuation of basically the same approach, there is no revolution ahead. It is a problem which all developed nations face, and tinkering around the edges has never stopped it happening, nor will it in future. Sensible people realise that, whatever their political persuasion.

yes there are hundreds of immigrants coming to this country every other day, the dingys are getting bigger, holding more, and mostly young men, who don't have documents, Border control don't know who they're allowing in, if they are genuine asylum seekers why do they ditch their documents on the way over, or pay the gangs £ thousands to take the dangerous route rather than safe passage.women and children should feel safe in their town, and before anyone says uk men attack too....well that makes it more important not to allow any in..we have enough already

NotSpaghetti

sundowngirl illegal immigrants get nothing!

Just must correct this!

"illegal immigrants get nothing" I beg to differ
This video from an employee that worked three months at the Copthorn Hotel
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbVnwGVuKDg
How can you say they get nothing - seems to me that they do very well in this hotel and there are similar videos from other hotels.
So no I won't correct this

Galaxy

Yes they are talking about it all over social media ( one of the reasons the liberals hate SM) but whatever they say it is the wrong words, or they are far right, or nazis.
That strategy just doesn't work.

Who are 'they', and who are 'the liberals'? I consider myself fairly liberal, but I don't hate SM . I wouldn't be on here if I did.

Just found out a large hotel in my town has been.used for housing asylum seekers for two years. Never knew, pass it regularly, never heard any problems but it is grotty looking and has been for years.

Drug dealing gangs and illegal vape shops are a problem.

100’s of young men claiming asylum should not be housed anywhere near the general public. They could all be rapists and murderers for all we know.
They should be housed in some sort of disused army barracks and kept a close eye on.

Yes they are talking about it all over social media ( one of the reasons the liberals hate SM) but whatever they say it is the wrong words, or they are far right, or nazis.
That strategy just doesn't work.

growstuff

According to all the dictionary definitions I looked up, the word "horde" has a derogatory meaning, which is presumably what these posters want to convey when they use it.

I'm sure you're right - the word makes me think of Atilla the Hun, but I am wondering why Laboutine deliberately highlighted it, if not to be deliberately confrontational.

* "racist", "stupid", "thick" and "brexiteers"* - you left about the bit about paranoia and a victim complex.