Setting a precedent?

Mollygo

^Exactly! It's the act which is irregular, not the people themselves.^

Like being told to say, “That was a naughty thing to do,” instead of “you’re a naughty boy.”
The boy was still in the wrong for doing the naughty thing.

I do hope you're not a parent or at least that your children have grown up and survived your parenting.

What would you expect to achieve by constantly telling a child they were naughty? My guess would be a naughty child. That level of disrespect and lack of compassion and understanding is very likely to backfire. You have put them in a box marked "naughty child".

A child labelled "naughty" has no reason to behave otherwise. It's like telling a child constantly they are "bad" at something. The most likely outcome is you will be proved right but that is no fault of the child.

People who arrived in irregular ways?

Exactly! It's the act which is irregular, not the people themselves.

Like being told to say, “That was a naughty thing to do,” instead of “you’re a naughty boy.”
The boy was still in the wrong for doing the naughty thing.

Sorry SG that was for GS.
Yes people, what else are they?

StripeyGran

People?

No reform isn’t the answer for sure GS

Allira

Mt61

We were told not to call them illegal migrants, I thought ‘irregular people’ was the new term, mind you that could change next week!
Not sure what we have to call these people.

Irregular arrivals is the term used by the UK Government, Mt61

That may change next week, of course.
Keep up at the back.

Exactly! It's the act which is irregular, not the people themselves.

petra

Mt61

Mt61

That’s it, we haven’t got the infrastructure to cope with the amount of people coming across. Why don’t they settle in France, much bigger than our country. Why do they want to risk theirs lives?

Lilli4

Our black economy. In France they have nothing like the scale of it we have here.
The only way to stop that is police visiting all the premises where this is happening. But we don’t have enough police, do we 🤷‍♀️

No, we don't and it was short-sighted to cut law enforcement budgets over the last government. Unlike cuts to benefits or some public services, the results aren't immediately visible, but we're paying the price now.

The public isn't aware how much work goes on behind the scenes to detect smuggling networks and illegal/forced labour in the UK. There's often a drug or illegal guns connection. The profits from all the illegal activity fund even more illegal activities on an international scale.

I'd love to know what Reform's detailed plans, including cost and impact assessments, actually entail. They're always a bit short on detail. They're more interesting in creating division and scare-mongering. Incidentally, today's protests were orchestrated mainly by a right-wing organisation called Homeland (a splinter group of neo-Nazi Patriotic Alternative), which doesn't have any solutions either.

Mt61

We were told not to call them illegal migrants, I thought ‘irregular people’ was the new term, mind you that could change next week!
Not sure what we have to call these people.

Irregular arrivals is the term used by the UK Government, Mt61

That may change next week, of course.
Keep up at the back.

Mt61

Would you volunteer to house one, or two, Stripeygran, & perhaps politicsnerd?

I believe it's important to approach this with compassion and understanding.

While I understand the challenges involved, I think solutions should be fair, well-organised, and ensure that both those seeking asylum and the wider community are supported. Ultimately, I think addressing the broader considerations and responsibilities is key.

Re "irregular". It is the migration that is irregular, not the people. The phrase that has been used is "irregular migration." The issue for the people involved is that there is very little in the way of regular paths for those seeking asylum.

The strength of today's protests - they were small - tells me that although there are one or two on here, and a small number in the country with strong anti-assylum feelings these protests are a lot smaller than the pro-Brexit feelings, smaller than the Rejoin March and certainly the Gazza protests. This tells me that feelings aren't as strong as the press trys to make out.

NotSpaghetti

Oreo and Mt61
France actually receives a much larger number of asylum claims than us, – 167,000 in 2023, compared to 67,000 in the UK.

I think a relatively small proportion asylum seekers actually want to come to the UK.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

People?

We were told not to call them illegal migrants, I thought ‘irregular people’ was the new term, mind you that could change next week!
Not sure what we have to call these people.

StripeyGran

Not entirely sure what an irregular person is ? Do you mean neuro diverse?
I live with two of those, if that helps at all.

Isn’t that what King Charles calls them?

Oh really Politicsnerd, will take that on board 👍🏻

Oreo and Mt61
France actually receives a much larger number of asylum claims than us, – 167,000 in 2023, compared to 67,000 in the UK.

I think a relatively small proportion asylum seekers actually want to come to the UK.

Mt61

PoliticsNerd

People most likely to use "do-gooder" are those who want to diminish or undermine the moral efforts of others.

On GN it's a perjorative word people use because, although it's inflammatory, they think GN will ignore it. Most people leave name calling in the playground. A few never grow out if it.

Saying someone is a ‘do-gooder’ isn’t being inflammatory- some people do good, some people don’t.

It's used as a perjorative, to express contempt and disapproval Mt61, as I think most people would be aware.

If you are not sure you, or others, are being insulting perhaps you should check - otherwise you are being very non-GN. Some don't care of course.

Illegal workers are also being picked up as a result of the national initiative known as Operation CeCe, a collaboration between Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs and National Trading Standards to prevent the sale of illegal tobacco.

It has happened recently in Powys, where the Operation CeCe Wales Regional Investigation Team, Home Office Immigration Enforcement and Dyfed Powys Police Neighbourhood Policing Teams supported the operation - they found both tobacco and vapes, and illegal workers.

Mt61

Mt61

That’s it, we haven’t got the infrastructure to cope with the amount of people coming across. Why don’t they settle in France, much bigger than our country. Why do they want to risk theirs lives?

Lilli4

Our black economy. In France they have nothing like the scale of it we have here.
The only way to stop that is police visiting all the premises where this is happening. But we don’t have enough police, do we 🤷‍♀️

Not entirely sure what an irregular person is ? Do you mean neuro diverse?
I live with two of those, if that helps at all.

Would you volunteer to house one, or two, Stripeygran, & perhaps politicsnerd?

No Oreo, I wonder why? France is very safe, I believe.

Mt61

That’s it, we haven’t got the infrastructure to cope with the amount of people coming across. Why don’t they settle in France, much bigger than our country. Why do they want to risk theirs lives?

They don’t seem too keen on living in France do they?

How do you feel about do-gooders StripeyGran? Are you one?

PoliticsNerd

Who you think is "right" depends on how much is true and how much is entitled reaction to change. Somehow, if we wish to survive, we have to learn how to live alongside one another.

Do you live alongside a noisy student house or an asylum hotel? It sounds as if you do from your comment and you have commendably learned to co exist happily.

Mt61

Yes stripeygran..but when asked last week, on a match, would those that supported irregular people coming across could they house those people, everyone had an excuse, or just said plain no 😳

Sorry march