Setting a precedent?

Casdon

I don’t think that’s true for governments Allira? The assessments of individuals yes, but not the impact on society of the actions they take.

I know Tony Blair is still with us - but what do most people remember about his Government?
The Iraq war.

I don’t think that’s true for governments Allira? The assessments of individuals yes, but not the impact on society of the actions they take.

Casdon

I think the best way to judge any government is in retrospect. The legacy they leave behind, in law and state of the nation is easier to judge than the present, with all its tribulations. After a governmental term is completed, and after the furore of the elections it is then possible to evaluate performance objectively.

The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones

Mollygo has it spot n!

They all talk the talk in opposition but actually being in Government is quite, quite different.

Yes, I voted for Labour and yes, I am disappointed in them so far.

I think the best way to judge any government is in retrospect. The legacy they leave behind, in law and state of the nation is easier to judge than the present, with all its tribulations. After a governmental term is completed, and after the furore of the elections it is then possible to evaluate performance objectively.

Remember Robert Jenrick?

news.sky.com/story/did-robert-jenrick-really-boast-about-opening-hotels-for-asylum-seekers-13415335

What this government is demonstrating is that none of them can be trusted. Each comes in laden with criticisms of the previous government and promising that they can do better.
Each proves to be unable to solve the problems they criticised the previous government for causing or being unable to solve.
The ardent supporters ignore or excuse the failures, immediately referring back to the previous government, and trumpet any perceived successes.
And so it goes . . .

Ignore other mistakes please I should be focusing on minding the DGC!

Shop steward

I knowno lots of people who did vote Labour a few have openly expressed their shock and disgust about them in government. Others just keep quiet and look somewhat sheepish when KS etc. are mentioned.

It's no surprise to me they cocked up so dramatically they were the worst opposition party in my lifetime. Then the stupid freebies they felt entitled too. How idiotic.

It saddens me because I was and still want to be a Labour voter. My poor old school shop steward dad is spinning in is grave.

Sarnia As you didn't vote Labour, you shouldn't really be surprised that the current government doesn't seem to represent you.

I can't remember a Government so out of touch with the people they are elected to represent.

Well, that’s odd because I can, having lived through the 15 years of the tory governments which brought us to the state we’re in now. Did they really get elected to freeze wages, cut benefits and destroy public services by underfunding them?

I know Labour have been surprisingly bad, but their predecessors weren’t any better.

Laboutine

^my impression is the govt recognises the concerns people are expressing^

Tell that to the farmers. Or the parents who, although on modest incomes, have chosen to send their children to a private, specialist school that best addresses their child's special needs. Or the people who were employed in the hospitality industry and were suddenly, and without warning, told that their services were no longer needed because the hotels they worked in were now only for asylum seekers and receptionists, cleaners, porters and chefs were no longer required. And do you really think that Starmer will listen to all the single parents, families, the homeless or ex servicemen who've been on the social housing waiting list for decades, that they're being moved even further down the priority list because all available housing will be needed for displaced asylum seekers? As Sky News reports; if Starmer thinks things are difficult now, they'll get a hell 9f a lot worse if he goes down that route.

news.sky.com/story/the-latest-migration-stats-are-going-in-the-wrong-direction-and-the-argument-might-get-more-vicious-13415839

A very good post. I didn't vote for Labour or Reform come to that but we are stuck with one and have the likelihood of being stuck with the other in the not too distant future.
I can't remember a Government so out of touch with the people they are elected to represent.

my impression is the govt recognises the concerns people are expressing

Tell that to the farmers. Or the parents who, although on modest incomes, have chosen to send their children to a private, specialist school that best addresses their child's special needs. Or the people who were employed in the hospitality industry and were suddenly, and without warning, told that their services were no longer needed because the hotels they worked in were now only for asylum seekers and receptionists, cleaners, porters and chefs were no longer required. And do you really think that Starmer will listen to all the single parents, families, the homeless or ex servicemen who've been on the social housing waiting list for decades, that they're being moved even further down the priority list because all available housing will be needed for displaced asylum seekers? As Sky News reports; if Starmer thinks things are difficult now, they'll get a hell 9f a lot worse if he goes down that route.

news.sky.com/story/the-latest-migration-stats-are-going-in-the-wrong-direction-and-the-argument-might-get-more-vicious-13415839

Iam64

Allira, my impression is the govt recognises the concerns people are expressing.

Well, they aren't listening to farmers.

When did I say I would mind if they lived next to me, we already have hmos near here.

Sometimes there are long-term decisions to be taken, which may not be popular but which everyone who has a handle on what's happening with the economy, immigration, services etc knows need to be enacted.
I'm pleased this government is focused on trying to pull the country round, rather than whether they'll lose votes at the next general election. The last Tory government was terrible for that, especially Boris. Also they seem more stable so they're not being distracted by a leadership contest every 12 months & copious resignations & reshuffles in between.
I just hope the work they're doing shows results over the next couple of years.
You can say they're not listening to the people, but imo they are, they are just concentrating on doing a lot of work to resolve the problems, rather than coming up with new "knee-jerk" demogogic initiatives every few months, only to ditch them for something else if the people continue to express concerns.

Allira, my impression is the govt recognises the concerns people are expressing.

I do think if Governments ignore the concerns of the electorate and effectively tell them to go away and eat brioche then yes, Reform, which plays on people's fears, may win.

The reason food prices are rising is due to many factors, some of them global. Some costs for farmers have risen three-fold. Food prices may rise again this coming winter because of the excessively dry summer.

I sound like Cassandra 😯

Firstly, imo we aren’t getting more of the same with this government as the previous ones. Their belief systems are very different. I’m not going to list all the positives, breakfast clubs, hospital waiting lists reducing etc

The moaning criticising and over dramatising might lead Martians to believe England / the UK if failing on every key indicator. Thats simply not true
Yes we struggle with the huge increase in asylum seekers/economic migrants. That’s an issue in USA and other parts of Europe. We have a government focussed on working with other European countries to improve things
Good job we had a Dunkirk spirit 80 years ahon

Galaxy

I think if they don't implode they will win. Then everyone can wander around confusedly saying how did this happen.

They might change their name before then and everyone will be so confused they won't know who to vote for.

Anybody remember Up Pompeii? Woe, woe and thrice woe is the theme of this thread.

I think if they don't implode they will win. Then everyone can wander around confusedly saying how did this happen.

I'm afraid you may well be right Skydancer. I seem to remember that, following the EU referendum in 2016, it was said that the electorate in the poorest parts of the country had voted to leave purely because they'd felt ignored and overlooked by all the political parties for too long; they'd voted in protest. If Labour doesn't start listening to people now, history may well repeat itself.

Reform will win the next election.