Setting a precedent?

Calendargirl

The government have won their appeal for asylum seekers to be allowed to stay in the Bell Hotel.

Surprise or what?

Where were the protesters expecting them to go?

Yvette Cooper has said that the plan is to have an organised programme of closures, and ultimately there will be nobody in ex-hotels, but that has to happen systematically. I don't know how many people are in the Bell Hotel, but they can't all be rehoused overnight.

I wouldn’t be going anywhere near Epping this weekend, I imagine that there are a lot of unhappy local residents.

I suspect that there will also bussed in agitators.

Mollygo

PNis saying
Neither, it appears, do they speak for GNHQ
We Don’t Care.😄

Some 'in' joke I would imagine.

If it refers to the fact that some personal attacks have not been deleted, it could be because they were not reported as they were thought best left to speak for themselves.

I really don't care a jot, though!

The government have won their appeal for asylum seekers to be allowed to stay in the Bell Hotel.

Surprise or what?

Doodledog

I'm lost now

Who doesn't care, and what about? Who isn't speaking for HQ, and how do we know?

We don’t know.
But PNis saying that some unspecified person isn’t doing it.

Mollygo 😄👍🏻

I'm lost now

Who doesn't care, and what about? Who isn't speaking for HQ, and how do we know?

PNis saying
Neither, it appears, do they speak for GNHQ
We Don’t Care.😄

LizzieDrip

^Yes but that seems to be what PNis all about. Happily, We Don’t Care. That’s her choice^

For folk who supposedly don’t care, some of you are going on about it rather a lot🤔

As Casdon says, you’re using the royal ‘we’. You don’t speak for me.

Neither, it appears, do they speak for GNHQ.

What bothers me is that the majority of illegal immigrants are from countries where TB is endemic. Apparently, here in the UK, TB is on the rise and we are in danger of losing our 'low incidence' status. Statistics show 81% of new cases are in people born outside the UK. If you search Google for countries where TB is endemic you'll find many matches for countries where illegal immigrants are coming from. I wonder if the government have a screening system in place. If you search Google for countries where visitors to the UK need to show a current TB certificate you will find all the countries that illegal immigrants are coming from. The traffickers take their ID away of course.

Do you remember the NO SPITTING notices in buses back in day? That was because one way TB is spread is by spores that form when spittal dries out. The spores are very resistant and are viable for years. The introduction of the BCG vaccination brought the incidence here down to low status.

Mollygo

Allira

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5370675-we-do-not-care-club?page=2

I didn’t know it’s on Mumsnet too.

I think it's a thread about the woman who started it but they're joining in with their own versions 😁

I do remember having a look at the founder of the group, DD may have sent me a link.

Casdon

Mollygo
Casdon
I’m in the grow up and speak only for yourself group myself, it’s a group of one.
If that’s aimed at me, or just personal VS We Don’t Care. 😁

No, and it’s not BS either. ???

Mollygo

Casdon

I’m in the grow up and speak only for yourself group myself, it’s a group of one.

If that’s aimed at me, or just personal VS We Don’t Care. 😁

No, and it’s not BS either.

Allira

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5370675-we-do-not-care-club?page=2

I didn’t know it’s on Mumsnet too.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5370675-we-do-not-care-club?page=2

Casdon

I’m in the grow up and speak only for yourself group myself, it’s a group of one.

If that’s aimed at me, or just personal VS We Don’t Care. 😁

I’m in the grow up and speak only for yourself group myself, it’s a group of one.

Casdon

Guilty of using the royal ‘we’ there Mollygo, given all our opinions are different about any topic or poster one could name.

No. It’s a group I subscribe to called We Don’t Care
We Don’t Care if people feel it doesn’t apply to them and We Don't Care if they say so. They’re welcome to share that. 😄

Yes but that seems to be what PNis all about. Happily, We Don’t Care. That’s her choice

For folk who supposedly don’t care, some of you are going on about it rather a lot🤔

As Casdon says, you’re using the royal ‘we’. You don’t speak for me.

Guilty of using the royal ‘we’ there Mollygo, given all our opinions are different about any topic or poster one could name.

Galaxy

Telling someone that that they hoped a posters children survived their parenting is about as personal as it gets. The one time I reported a person for a personal attack on me was when they brought my children into the debate.

Yes but that seems to be what PNis all about.
Happily, We Don’t Care. That’s her choice.

Excellent post at 9:55:33, Cossy.

It is very seldom that quick fixes work to solve anything on a permanent basis. The overall figures (to include numbers in, numbers processed and numbers out) over the length of the parliament will show whether the current government's policies have worked better than those of the previous one. Judging this government after a year for not undoing 14 years of ineptitude is short-sighted at best.

Telling someone that that they hoped a posters children survived their parenting is about as personal as it gets. The one time I reported a person for a personal attack on me was when they brought my children into the debate.

Mollygo

No PN, you just look for opportunities to nitpick, and in this instance to demonstrate your usual nastiness, but We Do Not Care either for the nastiness or the apology.

Really? Another personal attack?

Are we not adult, mature and restrained enough to accept we all have different views, beliefs and opinions?

I happen to believe that there is a lot more than needs fixing, in addition to people arriving on small boats.

Yes it’s an issue, yes it’s got worse and worse across the years, yes it needs reform and to be resolved.

I’m far more concerned though by lack of police, doctors, nurses, teachers and other professionals, concerned by young people involved in gangs/ drugs/knife crime, those young people who have left school and aren’t in training or work, dwindling numbers in our armed forces, housing shortages, businesses going into liquidation.

None of the above haves been caused by the 1% of our population arriving in “irregular ways”.

The media just love to stir the pot and Farage uses immigration to help build his support in what appears to be an increasingly racist England.

Just my opinions, of course.

PoliticsNerd

Unfortunately, the last Government did so little processing of asylum seekers that this problem was bound to arise and bound to have no easy answer.

This government has speeded up the system and the returns. Do not expect a quick easy answer; their won't be one. Do expect the government to keep moving forward and to work with other countries. Government is the art of the possible, it is not necessarily "the art of the perfect" or "the art of the ideal." It often involves pragmatic compromise, balancing competing interests, and working within constraints, rather than achieving perfect or utopian outcomes.

Those who vote are adults and should have long outgrown the expectation of the wave of a magic wand!

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