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Torsten Bell

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PoliticsNerd Wed 27-Aug-25 10:14:23

As we hear that Torsten Bell is working along Rachel Reeves on the next budget, I thought I was worth looking back on what he has said in the past.

This is an interview that took place nearly a year ago that gives a very good idea of his thinking.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1fEc2hPrI8&t=6s
This can also be accessed through Channel 4 News.

I would love to discuss what others think of what he had to say in this interview, in his book or in any other source you can share with us.

growstuff Wed 27-Aug-25 14:35:24

MaizieD

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Been reading about Torsten Bell. I can’t quite believe what I've just read. So this self proclaimed genius from a revered think tank is just proposing higher benefits payments across the board! And taking it from pensions (but not public sector, natch).

If he's saying that then he has a slightly better grasp of how to encourage growth by the state spending more money into the economy, and how to slow the rate of wealth acquisition, than you do.

Ironically. the biggest criticism of Torsten Bell is that he's a neo-liberal - as are people such as FGT. That's why I wish people would rely on first-hand sources rather than second-hand smears. Unfortunately, that seems to be what counts as political discussion.

By all means criticise what he says (as Richard Murphy does) but do it from an informed perspective - not just because the name has been linked to "baddies" (although the smearer doesn't really know why).

growstuff Wed 27-Aug-25 14:31:02

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Been reading about Torsten Bell. I can’t quite believe what I've just read. So this self proclaimed genius from a revered think tank is just proposing higher benefits payments across the board! And taking it from pensions (but not public sector, natch).

Please give a link to what you've just read.

MaizieD Wed 27-Aug-25 14:29:46

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Been reading about Torsten Bell. I can’t quite believe what I've just read. So this self proclaimed genius from a revered think tank is just proposing higher benefits payments across the board! And taking it from pensions (but not public sector, natch).

If he's saying that then he has a slightly better grasp of how to encourage growth by the state spending more money into the economy, and how to slow the rate of wealth acquisition, than you do.

PoliticsNerd Wed 27-Aug-25 14:07:50

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

Allira

The previous and current Governments don't seem willing to make the investment required in either our infrastructure or in our people.

This has been happening for decades and is very short-sighted.

This SME owner is not taking on anymore staff (skilled or training positions)

Planned expansion on hold, which would have employed trades people for over six months.

Not sure it’s worth the hassle.

Maybe you should ask the government for a meeting with Torsten Bell (and some others). I agree with you that, from what I've seen, SME owners seem to be a neglected group. You need to have your voices heard.

In the video, Bell mentions the German economy and the fact that it's driven by private investment. I expect he knows very well that SMEs are the lifeblood of the German economy, so he might be persuaded that they need more encouragement in the UK.

I found that really interesting.

So he talks about a "normal" Britain being a great place to live. (I concur smile ). He points out that we have been a low growth economy with high inequality and that together this produces big problems. He suggests we look at the average GDP, and the average inequality of countries we used to consider similar to ourselves; so France, Germany, the Netherlands, Australia. Not rich America (remember this was 11 months ago) or the very equal Norway. All are richer and all more equal than us but he suggests we look at the overall average if income and inequality a typical household in Britain would be £8,300 better off. What I'm hearing from that is that there are sensible things we can aim for. He says "... becoming a more normal economy measuring ourselves against similar'ish' economies is transformational."

It's pointed out the we do still compare ourselves to these economies and think we are the same. Bell points out that since the financial crisis we have been a very low growth economy with one tenth of the growth we used to see. He points out that high inequality and low growth are what make things worse for middle and lower income Britain's.

I'll come back and get to the Germany point but I need to eat!

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 27-Aug-25 14:03:08

Been reading about Torsten Bell. I can’t quite believe what I've just read. So this self proclaimed genius from a revered think tank is just proposing higher benefits payments across the board! And taking it from pensions (but not public sector, natch).

growstuff Wed 27-Aug-25 13:49:39

FriedGreenTomatoes2

This twit was the policy chief of the anti-pensioner Resolution Foundation, until Labour gifted him a safe Labour seat in Swansea last July and then made him Pensions Minister.
He knows as little about real life as he does about Wales.

Or you do about him and his work (so it seems). Childish name-calling is never a good look.

You really should read some of the articles the Resolution Foundation wrote rather than relying on the Telegraph and its spin.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 27-Aug-25 13:48:06

FriedGreenTomatoes2

This twit was the policy chief of the anti-pensioner Resolution Foundation, until Labour gifted him a safe Labour seat in Swansea last July and then made him Pensions Minister.
He knows as little about real life as he does about Wales.

😹 Happy Birthday 🎂🥂

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 27-Aug-25 13:41:02

This twit was the policy chief of the anti-pensioner Resolution Foundation, until Labour gifted him a safe Labour seat in Swansea last July and then made him Pensions Minister.
He knows as little about real life as he does about Wales.

growstuff Wed 27-Aug-25 13:38:51

Unfortunately, political discussion has reached a low ebb.

growstuff Wed 27-Aug-25 13:37:30

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Torsten Bell is someone who used to be a policy director for Ed Miliband. The ‘Edstone’ was his idea. Nuff said. 😂

That's a tad childish and I doubt sums up everything Torsten Bell has ever said/done.

growstuff Wed 27-Aug-25 13:36:45

GrannyGravy13

Jaxjacky

April this year

He has changed his tune then, since bring in government 👏👏👏

I don't think he has. Have you watched the video yet?

Do you have any links to anything he's said/written recently, so that we can compare?

I know he's been the target of smears. There are also plenty of people who disagree with him. including Richard Murphy. I think it's interesting to read why Murphy disagrees - it's not just smearing.

I prefer to read/hear what he actually says rather than relying on smears and second-hand sources, so anything first-hand would be great. I like to make up my own mind rather than repeating somebody else's opinions.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 27-Aug-25 13:36:09

Torsten Bell is someone who used to be a policy director for Ed Miliband. The ‘Edstone’ was his idea. Nuff said. 😂

PoliticsNerd Wed 27-Aug-25 13:26:24

Chocolatelovinggran

I will read your link later, PN ( currently enjoying the company of a two year old!) . I think that it is useful to learn about our policy makers.

That sounds lovely Chocolatelovingran. I think, with the interview being less than a year old it should be relevant.

I have been trying to find articles he has written but (not suprisingly) hasn't written written any for a while.

I'll keep trying for those who prefer them.

Ilovecheese Wed 27-Aug-25 13:10:32

Even if he did want to remove the triple lock (which seems to be unclear), that is surely not a reason to dismiss his ideas out of hand though,
just because one might be personally affected? There needs to be a plan for the whole country and the whole population.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 27-Aug-25 13:06:58

Jaxjacky

April this year

He has changed his tune then, since bring in government 👏👏👏

Jaxjacky Wed 27-Aug-25 13:03:22

April this year

growstuff Wed 27-Aug-25 13:01:04

GrannyGravy13

Allira

The previous and current Governments don't seem willing to make the investment required in either our infrastructure or in our people.

This has been happening for decades and is very short-sighted.

This SME owner is not taking on anymore staff (skilled or training positions)

Planned expansion on hold, which would have employed trades people for over six months.

Not sure it’s worth the hassle.

Maybe you should ask the government for a meeting with Torsten Bell (and some others). I agree with you that, from what I've seen, SME owners seem to be a neglected group. You need to have your voices heard.

In the video, Bell mentions the German economy and the fact that it's driven by private investment. I expect he knows very well that SMEs are the lifeblood of the German economy, so he might be persuaded that they need more encouragement in the UK.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 27-Aug-25 12:56:10

Allira

^The previous and current Governments don't seem willing to make the investment required in either our infrastructure or in our people.^

This has been happening for decades and is very short-sighted.

This SME owner is not taking on anymore staff (skilled or training positions)

Planned expansion on hold, which would have employed trades people for over six months.

Not sure it’s worth the hassle.

Allira Wed 27-Aug-25 12:49:33

The previous and current Governments don't seem willing to make the investment required in either our infrastructure or in our people.

This has been happening for decades and is very short-sighted.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 27-Aug-25 12:40:14

Torsten Bell is in favour of cancelling the pension triple lock, just saying…

Ilovecheese Wed 27-Aug-25 12:36:27

I think the lack of investment in our infrastructure and the rising inequality is what has lead to our lack of growth.
More equal countries have higher growth than we do.
Poorly maintained infrastructure puts off businesses from locating here, particularly in poorer areas of the country.

The previous and current Governments don't seem willing to make the investment required in either our infrastructure or in our people.
I don't know enough about Alistair Darling to comment on that, maybe when I have listened a bit more.

growstuff Wed 27-Aug-25 12:26:23

Very brief summary of the video:

Bell talks about lack of growth in UK (true), increasing inequality (true), lack of investment in long-term infrastructure (true) and the influence of Alistair Darling on his thinking (can't know if that's true).

As the video was the starting point for the OP, it would be interesting to know what people think about those issues.

Allira Wed 27-Aug-25 12:26:09

Chocolatelovinggran

I will read your link later, PN ( currently enjoying the company of a two year old!) . I think that it is useful to learn about our policy makers.

Much more fun, Chocolatelovinggran! 😀
currently enjoying the company of a two year old!

Ilovecheese Wed 27-Aug-25 12:22:55

I have only listened to the first few minutes due to lack of time at the moment, but he seems to be an optimist about our country and a patriot about our country, which was nice. He also seems to care about inequality and understands that inequality is bad for a country's economics, which is also good to hear. I hope to listen more later today.
Thank you for starting this post PoliticsNerd I hope it can lead to an interesting discussion.

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 27-Aug-25 12:14:09

I will read your link later, PN ( currently enjoying the company of a two year old!) . I think that it is useful to learn about our policy makers.