Sticks and stones may break my bones…

‘Two lovely black eyes, oh what a surprise, only for telling a man he was wrong I got two lovely black eyes .’
An old music hall song sung by a woman and seen by the audience as a comedic turn.
Society is still dominated by men as they are physically stronger than us but I’d like to think that in the distant future it will gradually level out.A long time yet tho.

Iam64

Some British men are incredibly abusive to their wives and children. They walk amongst us

You're right - they do walk amongst us and I've encountered women I'm friendly with suffering abuse from their exes back along.

Where I'm living now - there's 3 women I'm friendly with that are ex battered wives/partners to my knowledge. I also have a male friend that's an ex battered husband (in fact I'm the one that basically said to him that he'd done nothing wrong to have had that treatment from her - as there are women like that too) and he's "come out" publicly as an ex-battered husband these days and "tells the world" about it and asks for there to be more support available for men in that position and people accept that's how it was for him.

But yep....it does seem to be a much higher proportion of women than men that come on the receiving end of that sort of treatment.

Trans women are men at their very nastiest.
Wondering when the Sandie Peggie case will finally conclude.

Families are a conundrum - I agree, Iam64, but I also know families where wives are abusive to their husbands and children.

This can only establish where the men involved are sweet-natured & long-suffering, but a surprising number of men are just that.

Some British men are incredibly abusive to their wives and children. They walk amongst us

Allira

I'm increasingly of the opinion that the world is dominated by men.

I have certainly wondered what some British men would get up to left to themselves - ie if this was a society where Sharia law applied =I'd be willing to bet many of them would join in and be just as bad as a lot of men in those backward societies are.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that the world is dominated by men.

Isn’t it just

I’m not a fan of conspiracy stories, but we could begin to winder if women count for less than men, even when the men are disguised as drag queens and behaving badly

Iam64

Doodledog and TerriBull, one of my increasingly moments of feeling just a bit puzzled was when my memory nudged me as I read about GL’s arrest, asking me why those aggressive trans women in frocks peeing on statues of suffragettes, wuth their lady dicks exposed, weren’t arrested by armed or even non armed officers.

It's a mystery, Iam64.

Galaxy

I suppose it depends on your definition of comedy.. There is in my view nothing funnier than those who pretend that people with balls (aka men) are women.
There is absolutely no evidence of incitement there, and as someone says if there is than the queen presumably is guilty too.
I think if I remember rightly he is considering suing the Met with support from the FSU, I hope that goes ahead.
My view on this is nothing to do with whether I like or agree with GL ( I actually have quite conflicting views about him) mine is about free speech, I apply the absolute same principle to those who are protesting about Palestine Action, and I think a lot of those people are absolute muppets.

I’m with you on this Galaxy. I’m often slightly ill at ease with comedy like father ted. It’s close to the bone though I’ve found myself laughing out loud at times despite discomfort.

A friend took herself off to London with the aim of being arrested at the PA demonstration. Yes, she was arrested and has to report back in several weeks. She’s very pleased with herself for contributing to blocking the courts and dominating the time of the Met police. She’s a mid-seventies age grannie with her first arrest. Sees herself as a freedom fighter, who cares about Palestine and freedom of speech. Doesn’t believe parliament had enough evidence to proscribe PA
I’m prepared to be proved wrong. I marched against the invasion of Iraq. I fear the unreliability of the weapons of mass destruction that led to that disastrous invasion is feeding Palestine Action supporters like my friend. I’m certain she’s typical of the people ensuring they get arrested. Kind, well meaning and idealistic
Idealism can’t dictate policy. The Met can’t possibly continue arresting hundreds of kind, gentle grandparents who pose no threat

Iam64

Doodledog and TerriBull, one of my increasingly moments of feeling just a bit puzzled was when my memory nudged me as I read about GL’s arrest, asking me why those aggressive trans women in frocks peeing on statues of suffragettes, wuth their lady dicks exposed, weren’t arrested by armed or even non armed officers.

Yes!

Doodledog and TerriBull, one of my increasingly moments of feeling just a bit puzzled was when my memory nudged me as I read about GL’s arrest, asking me why those aggressive trans women in frocks peeing on statues of suffragettes, wuth their lady dicks exposed, weren’t arrested by armed or even non armed officers.

I suppose it depends on your definition of comedy.. There is in my view nothing funnier than those who pretend that people with balls (aka men) are women.
There is absolutely no evidence of incitement there, and as someone says if there is than the queen presumably is guilty too.
I think if I remember rightly he is considering suing the Met with support from the FSU, I hope that goes ahead.
My view on this is nothing to do with whether I like or agree with GL ( I actually have quite conflicting views about him) mine is about free speech, I apply the absolute same principle to those who are protesting about Palestine Action, and I think a lot of those people are absolute muppets.

It’s perfectly obvious to us all that we no longer have freedom of speech in this country, even when the truth is being said.

Scary times.

God forbid we should offend anyone 🤬

No I'm not really disagreeing with you either Doodledog, I always remember your posts on the whole trans debacle were and no doubt still are unparalleled, just expanding as to why I used the 'hurty' words reference.

TerriBull

Doodledog

I’m not terrified of others thinking differently from me - people can think what they like - but I do feel that there should be clarification about what is and is not criminal when it comes to online activity.

I don’t like the way the phrase ‘hurty words’ is used to minimise what can be obvious incitement to violence, but there are many shades of grey in the way people express themselves, and much can be open to interpretation. ‘Let him have it’, for instance.

As I see it, people should know when they are breaking the law, and if they do so in that knowledge they know they are risking arrest. But we shouldn’t be at risk of being arrested for doing something that would be perfectly legal in other circumstances. Maybe I feel that GL should be left alone because I happen to agree with his stance on women’s rights, but I do think his arrest is an overreaction, and hope the courts deal with it accordingly.

So Graham Linehan's tweet which I believe was something along the lines of suggesting to women in the position of finding a trans woman in a women only private space suggesting something along the lines of "make a fuss, call the police, or finally kick them in the balls" Well no two wrongs don't make a right. However, access the "Sex Matters" website and there are numerous mentions of the violence women have suffered at the hands of trans women, and as mentioned there it tends to go one way. Contrast GL's tweet with this from transwoman, Sarah Jane Baker, with previous convictions, imprisoned for seven years as a young offender for kidnapping and torturing her stepmother's brother, the attempted murder of another inmate suggested to an audience "if you see a Terf punch them in the f*****g face" I may be wrong but I don't remember that person being arrested by a 5 police, although they were arrested. Unlike GL though they are actually dangerous and his incitement, would carry far more weight given some of the violence already meted out by trans women to women. I think GL's tweet, possibly unwise at the worst, was borne out of frustration and quite honestly tongue in cheek!

I'm not disagreeing with that, *Terribull. I thought that was clear from my post.

Millie22

I'm not even sure what the purpose of the Police is these days. They just seem to hang around where protesters are most of the time.

Last week in Nottingham a man had his bike stolen. When he reported it he was just given a crime number as per normal. He was actually doing a bike ride around many different countries and stopped off for something to eat. All his belongings were on his bike. It was an item on the local news and now the Police are supposedly looking for his bike.

Poor man and what must he think of this country.

Millie2
Yes, he has had lots of offers of help which may do something to restore his faith in the British people. He has travelled through many countries, comes here and this happens.

I hope the police find the scumbags who did this but I doubt it.

Millie22

I'm not even sure what the purpose of the Police is these days. They just seem to hang around where protesters are most of the time.

Last week in Nottingham a man had his bike stolen. When he reported it he was just given a crime number as per normal. He was actually doing a bike ride around many different countries and stopped off for something to eat. All his belongings were on his bike. It was an item on the local news and now the Police are supposedly looking for his bike.

Poor man and what must he think of this country.

Yes, I saw that on the news. What must he think of the UK!

I wondered if some kind donor had bought him a new bike or if there was crowdfunding appeal for him? It might restore his faith in the British people.

I'm not even sure what the purpose of the Police is these days. They just seem to hang around where protesters are most of the time.

Last week in Nottingham a man had his bike stolen. When he reported it he was just given a crime number as per normal. He was actually doing a bike ride around many different countries and stopped off for something to eat. All his belongings were on his bike. It was an item on the local news and now the Police are supposedly looking for his bike.

Poor man and what must he think of this country.

Yes, I think it's backfired on the Met Police, Terribull.

Now, the question is, should a small woman or girl tackle a huge man claiming to be a woman if they are threatened by them in a women's only space? Or should they just keep their head down and try to scuttle out and then call the alarm?
Or should they use the Queen's method?

I meant to add, clearly hey wanted to make an example of GL in treating him as a pariah, but all they've done is make the general public question their heavy handed tactics in arresting someone who made a pretty innocuous tweet, ostensibly in support of women. I'm not on X but I imagine in comparison there is some seriously nasty stuff out there.

Yes, I think you're absolutely right, Terribull

We are not supposed to challenge the rights of men who claim to be women even when they commit rape and sexual assaults but now the tide is turning.
It may take more than this but there are high profile people out there not afraid to speak the truth despite threats - and arrests.

Doodledog

I’m not terrified of others thinking differently from me - people can think what they like - but I do feel that there should be clarification about what is and is not criminal when it comes to online activity.

I don’t like the way the phrase ‘hurty words’ is used to minimise what can be obvious incitement to violence, but there are many shades of grey in the way people express themselves, and much can be open to interpretation. ‘Let him have it’, for instance.

As I see it, people should know when they are breaking the law, and if they do so in that knowledge they know they are risking arrest. But we shouldn’t be at risk of being arrested for doing something that would be perfectly legal in other circumstances. Maybe I feel that GL should be left alone because I happen to agree with his stance on women’s rights, but I do think his arrest is an overreaction, and hope the courts deal with it accordingly.

So Graham Linehan's tweet which I believe was something along the lines of suggesting to women in the position of finding a trans woman in a women only private space suggesting something along the lines of "make a fuss, call the police, or finally kick them in the balls" Well no two wrongs don't make a right. However, access the "Sex Matters" website and there are numerous mentions of the violence women have suffered at the hands of trans women, and as mentioned there it tends to go one way. Contrast GL's tweet with this from transwoman, Sarah Jane Baker, with previous convictions, imprisoned for seven years as a young offender for kidnapping and torturing her stepmother's brother, the attempted murder of another inmate suggested to an audience "if you see a Terf punch them in the f*****g face" I may be wrong but I don't remember that person being arrested by a 5 police, although they were arrested. Unlike GL though they are actually dangerous and his incitement, would carry far more weight given some of the violence already meted out by trans women to women. I think GL's tweet, possibly unwise at the worst, was borne out of frustration and quite honestly tongue in cheek!

Scribbles good comments.