Let’s get real about migration

Wyllow3

People who say "oh I dont recognise this country anymore" are indeed ignoring the past as waves of immigrants from different countries cam there - and we went "there" (like mass migration by the poor to the USA from the UK and Ireland)

I love my multi racial city. it gives colour and variety to life. I dont want same old same old ye olde country village. I got to a gym that is multiracial, the workers there and the customers. I shop in supermarkets where there are many backgrounds and languages. it enriches me. whats not to like?

Just tonight I was at the gym practicing yoga next to a lady that was making nearly the same moves as me, and I've been doing it for nearly 50 years now. she has a bad back, I showed her a couple of things. she is a cleaner at the gym. later we were moved on by a class starting but she came up to me and asked for a session. she's got natural talent to an extraordinary level.

She came from Eritrea. I didn't ask her about the horrors she escaped, or how she got here

(As a Christian, it could well have been a church scheme).

We had a great laugh as well as discussing inter-cultural matters. her back ground and skin colour made no difference whatsoever.

Whats not to like?

She is a talented caring lady (had first worked in a care home)

(my guess had had a good education before escaping (the level of concepts she understood, if not all the exact words).

So to those who desperately cling to "us" and "them' - open your eyes and heart, and ...enjoy.

Like many others she has so much to give, and a rich ness of experience we can learn from, as she can from us.

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In Portugal, asylum seekers have the right to work from the moment their asylum application is lodged and registered, as confirmed by an amendment to the Asylum Act in 2022

LizzieDrip

^How many more deaths before Europe gets its act together and finds a solution…^

Suggested solution in my post above!

I have advocated for an asylum route through our overseas Embassies or similar for years, but have had it pointed out to me on here that it would not be possible 🤷‍♀️

StripeyGran

Canada and Sweden may grant immediate work permission.

I expect there are others.

I have just googled and the important word in your post is may

How many more deaths before Europe gets its act together and finds a solution…

Suggested solution in my post above!

You must know full well that there is no country in the world where you can turn up illegally, with no money behind you and be allowed to work

And you know full well that you are wrong.

Cossy

silverlining48

T he vast majority of immigrants here are legal working or studying or been offered group asylum by the government, Hong Kong, Ukraine and some from Afghanistan.
The people who are desperate enough to risk their lives squeezed into these flimsy overloaded Plastic boats are a tiny percentage of immigrants, am thinking 3.5%. Yet all the anger and chatter is on these people. A woman and two children in separate incidents died today. RIP.

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👏 too.

Canada and Sweden may grant immediate work permission.

I expect there are others.

silverlining48

I came here as a baby from Germany just after the war. We lived in an area of London which had suffered bombing, but the neighbours were friendly and kind.
Credit to those decent people also to my mum who worked til she was 75 and always loved this country.

The problems I have with the rubber boats are the obscene amounts of money the criminal gangs are earning on other peoples misery.

Three people drowned in the last 24 hours and another three are missing.

Each death is one too many.

How many more deaths before Europe gets its act together and finds a solution…

silverlining48

But unless things have changed, there isn’t a legal way to turn up here, otherwise people would save their £££££££ and use the money to fly in.

Exactly silverlining.

Currently, those fleeing war, hunger, torture and oppression have to physically be on UK soil before they can apply for asylum in the UK.

Only two visa routes exist - for people from Ukraine and those from Afghanistan who helped the UK forces (although that’s somewhat moot really).

Anyone else fleeing war, hunger, torture and oppression is ‘forced’ into a dangerous boat crossing by the current system!

If the government enabled people to apply for asylum from another country, the boat crossings might stop tomorrow!

Why doesn’t the government do it - I have no idea🤷‍♀️

I was using the Dentist as an example of perceived injustice.
It is very hard to find one and to pay for one. So it is often raised as unfair that newcomers "jump the queue"

I was suggesting that things are not quite as simple.

StripeyGran

Primrose53

StripeyGran

I really don't undertand why it is OK for some people to migrate to Spain or France but not OK for others to want to and try to come here.

I simply don't believe every newcomer has thrown his or her ID away, so that won't wash.

Not difficult to understand!
People who emigrate to Spain and France do so legally and have sufficient money to buy a home there or rent.
They are not a drain on their chosen countries resources.

How can people be anything other than a drain, if they are not allowed to work?

Do you honestly believe there is a pot of money labeled " DENTISTS" and all the people who arrive here have their hands in that pot?
Do you think it could be slightly more complicated than that?

You must know full well that there is no country in the world where you can turn up illegally, with no money behind you and be allowed to work. Australia, for example, will not take in anybody who is likely to be a drain on their country. They regularly threaten to deport people who have lived there for years but have serious illnesses or disabilities who cannot support themselves.

I came here as a baby from Germany just after the war. We lived in an area of London which had suffered bombing, but the neighbours were friendly and kind.
Credit to those decent people also to my mum who worked til she was 75 and always loved this country.

StripeyGran

Primrose53

StripeyGran

I really don't undertand why it is OK for some people to migrate to Spain or France but not OK for others to want to and try to come here.

I simply don't believe every newcomer has thrown his or her ID away, so that won't wash.

Not difficult to understand!
People who emigrate to Spain and France do so legally and have sufficient money to buy a home there or rent.
They are not a drain on their chosen countries resources.

How can people be anything other than a drain, if they are not allowed to work?

Do you honestly believe there is a pot of money labeled " DENTISTS" and all the people who arrive here have their hands in that pot?
Do you think it could be slightly more complicated than that?

You asked a question about something you did not understand.
I answered truthfully.
I never mentioned Dentists.

silverlining48

But unless things have changed, there isn’t a legal way to turn up here, otherwise people would save their £££££££ and use the money to fly in.

Our NHS and care system relies on legal migrants Silverlining48

They apply through the correct channels.

But unless things have changed, there isn’t a legal way to turn up here, otherwise people would save their £££££££ and use the money to fly in.

When my grandmother arrived on a boat from a dirt poor part of Italy in 1900, I don't think there was a clear " legal migration" policy.

StripeyGran

I really don't undertand why it is OK for some people to migrate to Spain or France but not OK for others to want to and try to come here.

I simply don't believe every newcomer has thrown his or her ID away, so that won't wash.

I think you do understand.

There is a big difference between legal migration to a country of one’s choice and rocking up on a rubber dinghy on the beach having paid €€€€€ to criminal people smugglers…

Primrose53

StripeyGran

I really don't undertand why it is OK for some people to migrate to Spain or France but not OK for others to want to and try to come here.

I simply don't believe every newcomer has thrown his or her ID away, so that won't wash.

Not difficult to understand!
People who emigrate to Spain and France do so legally and have sufficient money to buy a home there or rent.
They are not a drain on their chosen countries resources.

How can people be anything other than a drain, if they are not allowed to work?

Do you honestly believe there is a pot of money labeled " DENTISTS" and all the people who arrive here have their hands in that pot?
Do you think it could be slightly more complicated than that?

LizzieDrip it’s not where they are it’s the total number of asylum seekers that has to be taken into account as it costs a lot of tax payers money.For years now we have seen thousands turning up, some days around 800! They all have to be accommodated and fed and taken care of until such time as their claims are either accepted or rejected.There seems no end in sight.

Correction:

just checked the chart again - Hillingdon has 73 (not 78) asylum seekers per 10,000 residents.

For those who think the country is ‘overcrowded’ with immigrants, here’s some data.

Sky News online has put out a chart showing, county by county, the number of asylum seekers in each area.

The county with the highest number is Hillingdon. The number … 78 asylum seekers per 10,000 head of population. Yes, that’s right - 78!

My county is around mid-table and has … wait for it … 18 asylum seekers per 10,000 head of population.

Overcrowded; invaded; deluged? I think not!

(It’s an interactive chart so won’t let me link it. It’s on Sky News online).

Oreo

We need properly controlled legal immigration, which should mean trying hard to weed out fake documents, stop as much as possible giving out ‘student’ visas for those from India and Nigeria who often come with dependents and never go home.
Monitor the visas given out for work purposes or study purposes and deport if they’ve outstayed their time.

All would be a good starting point 👍

escaped

growstuff You actually seem to be the poster putting in more emotion than anyone on this thread!
I'm not getting het up about anything, just saying large numbers of immigrants cost the UK a lot of money, (when we haven't got any spare), and that's a good enough reason for it to stop until we can come up with action to make it work better. That's a level headed argument.

As for more land, I'm currently in France which has three times as much land as the UK, yet they are still concerned about the numbers arriving here in the Hexagon.
Why? Because the state has no money to provide for them, it is in enough financial trouble already. The French tv news discussions are full of it.

It is a Europe wide problem, escaped Greece has closed its borders, anyone arriving is being taken immediately to a camp and then returned from whence they came.

Germany has realised that their open border policy is untenable with the electorate, Sweden has problems.

I do not know what the answer is, President Macron blames the British government for being too enticing and making the U.K. attractive for migrants.

We need properly controlled legal immigration, which should mean trying hard to weed out fake documents, stop as much as possible giving out ‘student’ visas for those from India and Nigeria who often come with dependents and never go home.
Monitor the visas given out for work purposes or study purposes and deport if they’ve outstayed their time.