Can Starmer survive? The wolves are circling in the Labour Party.

In each party there will be people we don't like, we are all flawed human beings.

Yet many join in agreement with the hoards of law-breaking thugs to follow the guy who would take away every bit of democracy - that's what the alt-right do, it is their intention. But some on here still laud them and grasp at another chance to sing their praises.

What is the intention of the party you are following, prepared to vote for? No matter what criticism can be aimed at individuals, it's that intention the party will follow when they have power. Just be sure you really do understand it before you vote for them.

I know all about the RTB scheme thanks but I was asking how a single unemployed mother could manage to buy her council house ( BPs mother) when BP claims they were so poor she had to sleep in her clothes in winter and a neighbour had to give them a few quid to buy her a coat.

Most people in council houses struggled to pay the rent, let alone buy their house.

The "Right to Buy" scheme, introduced by Margaret Thatcher in the UK in 1980 allowed tenants of council housing to purchase their homes at discounted rates. While promoting homeownership was thought by most to be a "good" thing, it was a pure right-wing destructuring of the social measures put in place after the war. The measures that improved the lives and opportunities of many Gransnetters and their parents.

Those buying the houses had no say about about how the purchase money was to be used nor were they in a position to sell them under any other conditions than the rest of society did.

Yes, the policy led to a significant reduction in affordable rental housing for low-income and vulnerable groups and over time it contributed to a shortage of social housing. This was exactly what the Conservative Right intended.

Yes, the scheme often benefited middle-income households more than the most disadvantaged. That was exactly what the Conservative Right intended.

Yes, the revenue generated from sales was often not reinvested into building new affordable housing, leading to a decline in the overall supply of social housing. That was exactly what the Conservative Right intended.

Yes, as public housing stock diminished, some low-income individuals faced increased difficulty finding affordable accommodation and this contributed to homelessness and housing instability. That was exactly what the Conservative Right intended.

Yes, the sale of council homes sometimes resulted in the erosion of community, especially as some properties were sold to wealthier buyers or left vacant. That was exactly what the Conservative Right intended.

Yes, many of the sold homes were not maintained adequately, and the decline in public housing management contributed to deteriorating living conditions in remaining social housing. That was exactly what the Conservative Right intended.

Yes, it is argued that "Right to Buy" contributed to a more privatised housing market, with increased homeownership but also greater housing inequality and market volatility. That was exactly what the Conservative Right intended.

The scheme has succeeded in doing exactly what the Conservative Right intended. It has increased homeownership rates and individual wealth accumulation. But to do that it impacted and still impacts on social equity, housing availability, and community stability.

Could someone please tell me why any of this was a young Angela Rayner's fault? Or why they vote for people who mean them harm?

Not to worry. We’ll soon be governed by people like this..
“Reform UK's former leader in Wales has admitted taking bribes to make statements in favour of Russia while being a Member of the European Parliament.
Nathan Gill, 52, from Llangefni, Anglesey, pleaded guilty to eight counts of bribery between 6 December 2018 and 18 July 2019.”
The politician took money from Oleg Voloshyn - a man once described by the US government as a "pawn" of Russian secret services - and made speeches in the parliament, statements to a TV channel and arranged an event with a pro-Russian politician.
Gill will be sentenced in November and his defence barrister said he expected to be jailed.
The Old Bailey was told he was tasked by Ukrainian Oleg Voloshyn on at least eight occasions to make specific statements in return for money and there was evidence of WhatsApp messages between the two men.
Mr Voloshyn is a former member of the Ukrainian parliament for the pro-Russian Opposition Platform for Life party

Whoops! Starmer avoiding Inheritance Tax. In tomorrow’s Times.

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Galaxy

Indeed. But bragg wasn't singing on QT, which means that people are free to express their views on his political stance.

I’d have switched it off if he was. By this reckoning though, all comedians except Geoff Norcott (who I confess to not having heard of before) are champagne socialists, to a man or woman.

At least I am assuming he didn't sing on QT, that would have been embarrassing to say the least.

Indeed. But bragg wasn't singing on QT, which means that people are free to express their views on his political stance.

I don’t like any of those three either Galaxy. Even if you don’t have a personal objection to their attitudes or behaviour though, different comedians appeal to different senses of humour, generally speaking.

Billy bragg views working class people and women with contempt.
Eddie Izzard uses womens spaces knowing they don't consent
Grayson Perry wore a dildo to a childrens charity event.
Their champagne drinking is the least of my worries.

Iam64

Champagne Socialists - how very dare these people enjoy the fruits of their labour, drink champagne at the same time as wanting less fortunate people to get a fairer share of the pie.

Confess - I was drinking champagne with eleven friends at the weekend, every one a Labour voter 🌞

I hope you were all wearing your standard issue hair shirts Iam64!

Funny how so many Labour folk hate Margaret Thatcher, particularly because of the Right To Buy scheme for council houses.

It was well known that Angela Rayner did very well out of this by buying her council house. Today we learn that Bridget Phillipson also made a massive profit selling her Mum’s former council house. Apparently her mother was a single parent who was unable to work but she still managed to buy her house under the RTB scheme. Not sure how she managed that on benefits but there! They both have a lot to thank Margaret Thatcher for but they just gloss over how they got on the property ladder.

I stopped buying the G when they kept and feted the awful Owen Jones but banished some good women

🎯 Iam ✔️

Champagne Socialists - how very dare these people enjoy the fruits of their labour, drink champagne at the same time as wanting less fortunate people to get a fairer share of the pie.

Confess - I was drinking champagne with eleven friends at the weekend, every one a Labour voter 🌞

Primrose53

Galaxy

I am afraid that Billy Bragg is exactly what people are voting against.
Calling people gammon, cheering on Kneecap and calling women bigots. He stands for nothing I would want to follow.

Hear, hear! 👏👏

Look at Bragg and other Champagne Socialists like Bob Geldof, Bono, Jo Brand, Steve Coogan, Grayson Perry and Eddie/Susie Izzard …. What an absolute shower of unfortunate lookers who love telling people much poorer than them who to support and donate to. They all speak with forked tongues.

So being rich and successful means that someone is not allowed to have a social conscience?

Sorry, that was on the news tonight before you ask for the source.

Picking the pickets of pensioners whilst leaving the super rich untouched.

No idea who the woman was, but that’s how it looks .

Geoff Norcott I think. Not that well known.
I have a soft spot for Geldof from that list.

There are no right wing comedians that I can think of. Can anybody else?

Galaxy

I am afraid that Billy Bragg is exactly what people are voting against.
Calling people gammon, cheering on Kneecap and calling women bigots. He stands for nothing I would want to follow.

Hear, hear! 👏👏

Look at Bragg and other Champagne Socialists like Bob Geldof, Bono, Jo Brand, Steve Coogan, Grayson Perry and Eddie/Susie Izzard …. What an absolute shower of unfortunate lookers who love telling people much poorer than them who to support and donate to. They all speak with forked tongues.

It is because they have no answer. So I have just pointed out why some people would dislike Billy Bragg, it is a perfectly reasonable post. You may disagree with it of course. If you want people not to vote Reform there needs to be a viable alternative for people, personally I don't think what BB represents is it.

LizzieDrip

Have a lovely weekend Galaxy and Oreo!

What strange post. Typical of some, when others question their right to be always right. But let it stand. It demonstrates exactly that.

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LizzieDrip

Have a lovely weekend Galaxy and Oreo!

Is this meant as some sort of curious put down? Everything on this forum is our own opinion, some may agree others will disagree.Don’t take every opinion that clashes with your own in a personal way.

Have a lovely weekend Galaxy and Oreo!