Can Starmer survive? The wolves are circling in the Labour Party.

eazybee

It is Keir Starmer and his predilection for unsuitable appointments that are under discussion.

😹 Yes, but…

Farage was on BBC news for ages at lunch time, holding court about the deflection.
Starmer needs to get his communication strategy worked out. Did he just employ an ex-Sun editor to the team?

eazybee

^I think the problem is this time that the current PM and the Party have no idea.^

They are the Labour Party.
You elected them.
.

I haven’t got that on my conscious, thank goodness 😅

It is Keir Starmer and his predilection for unsuitable appointments that are under discussion.

Mojack26

He only does well with Trump because he massages and plays to his ego and because he handed over invitation from the King for a state visit! Nothing to do with him being an excellent PM, just being politic and doing what he's told to do..... but I kinda get it, if that's what it takes to get a deal

What choice does he have? We depend on America now . And yet Obama was criticised when he said if we left the EU we couldn’t depend on trade deals with America.

I think the problem is this time that the current PM and the Party have no idea.

They are the Labour Party.
You elected them.
.

Yes, and isn't Johnson back under scrutiny because of misuse of post government funds?

Oh come on, Boris had it 10 times worse than KS

You can’t be serious Primrose53!

“Historians will be baffled by the readiness of Britain’s largest media organisations to lick Johnson’s boots for so long, and will surely look for an explanation”

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/38882/even-the-sycophancy-of-an-amoral-tory-press-couldnt-save-boris-johnson

That's because he was, not just ten times, but immeasurably worse than Starmer.

MayBee70

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70 you cannot blame the press for Lord Mandelson.

True. But the press pick up on everything that can to discredit Starmer. Remember donkey gate?

Oh come on, Boris had it 10 times worse than KS.

He only does well with Trump because he massages and plays to his ego and because he handed over invitation from the King for a state visit! Nothing to do with him being an excellent PM, just being politic and doing what he's told to do..... but I kinda get it, if that's what it takes to get a deal

MayBee70

Imo Starmer needed someone as politically savvy and wily as Mandelson to deal with Trump. Also someone that might have a bit of influence over him for various reasons . Of course, if we were still in the EU we could have used them to do our negotiating and also wouldn’t be so sickeningly dependent on America for trade deals.

Tony Blair?

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70 you cannot blame the press for Lord Mandelson.

True. But the press pick up on everything that can to discredit Starmer. Remember donkey gate?

Ilovecheese

Surely we do have a right of centre party in power MayBee70

I think the problem is that the current PM and his cabinet have no idea where the party sits

It’s not a Labour Party as such, it seems to be floundering at home. Rachel Reeves is hell bent on continuing austerity, dreading the Autumn budget.

On the positive, the PM appears to be more successful on the world stage than at home

MayBee70 you cannot blame the press for Lord Mandelson.

Ilovecheese

Surely we do have a right of centre party in power MayBee70

Only because the electorate wouldn’t vote for a left of centre party. Even though the very people that need one the most are the least likely to vote for one .

Surely we do have a right of centre party in power MayBee70

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70 they might make headlines if the PM had a decent communications team around him, and if when doing the daily round of news programmes the MP rolled out on that day were not constantly having to field questions about what Labour hasn’t done, and its many failures.

Maybe a having a press with a mainly right wing bias doesn’t help. I’m actually wishing we now had the sort of right of centre Conservative Party in power that, even though I would never have voted for them had people in it like Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve, Rory Stewart, etc etc.But they tried to turn themselves into Reform with tragic consequences for the party and now Labour seem to be doing the same. Johnson has a lot to answer for by getting rid of so many decent Conservative MP’s. With so many Reform councillors etc being ex Tories they are everything that was bad about the Conservatives but without any of the good.

MayBee70

Primrose53

Starmer is toast. Just wait and see.

So who do you want to lead the country?

Someone with better judgement than to make Lord Mandelson the U.K. Ambassador to the USA, despite him being a close associate of a convicted child sex trafficker, and who had previously resigned twice from his parliamentary positions due to scandals…

Primrose53

Starmer is toast. Just wait and see.

So who do you want to lead the country?

Apparently they were lurid and sexually explicit about Diane Abbott, according to The Times

eazybee

If Paul Ovenden is /was one of KS's top aides I don't think the Tories were responsible.

He has resigned over text messages in 2017, obviously been hanging on in the hope they wouldn’t resurface…

If Paul Ovenden is /was one of KS's top aides I don't think the Tories were responsible.

Mostlyharmless.....I think your right, most of this is what the Tories failed to deal with and is now coming out of the woodwork. I don't think anyone else could do better. Just see if we can ride it out by the next election.

Now another resignation! (Over texts re Diane Abbott a few years ago).

One of KS top aides, Director of Strategy, Paul Ovenden.