This must be a sad day for England

It certainly wasn't 2 million. I believe the Anti Iraq War march was estimated to be one to one and a half million. I was on that march and it went on for miles, all day.

I have tried to explain my position the worriedwell.

Anniebach

Quote theworriedwell Sun 14-Sept-25 14:39:35
She was as poor as the rest of them, I wasn't born. Being stupid has nothing to do with being poor, plenty of poor people saw through him. Would you want gold bath taps when you hadn't got a bath?

What a horrid woman, I certainly don’t believe the “gold taps” story and being poor certainly causes lack of education, the 30’s , !

I didn't mention education, I've known some very intelligent people who weren't fortunate to have a good education. As an example I met a woman whose education stopped at ten due to WWII. I've heard her speaking five languages fluently, I don't know if she could speak more. She was well read, worked hard and her lack of formal education certainly didn't make her stupid.

Just an observation which in no way follows from any of the comments above...even the BBC are reporting that many of the flags flying were Union Jacks. Surely they of all people must know that the correct name for the flag when flown or waved on land is the Union Flag. It is only called the Union Jack when flown on board a ship.

I know this has fallen into disuse lately, but I'm a bit of a pedant in this particular case.

I was there with my granddaughter. If you look at the footage, a disproportionate number of the "Unite the Kingdom" participants were men - and very aggressive men at that.

They surrounded the space allocated to our Anti-Racist group on all sides so we were told by the police that, for our own safety, we would have to remain until they could ensure a secure "escape route".

Riot police and police on horseback were brought in to form a barrier as the Unite the Kingdom protesters tried to push forward into our space - I don't think it was to wish us a cheery hello. Horses had fire crackers thrown at them and bottles and other objects were thrown at the police by these so-called patriots.

During the hours when we were trapped we listened to speeches and then danced and sang to loud music. We knew we were massively outnumbered but we were determined not to become downhearted. When we were finally able to leave together, we saw the mess left behind by the Unite the Kingdom participants - cans and debris everywhere.

How can this right wing hate organisation, headed up by a convicted violent criminal, claim to representing the UK when Elon Musk is invited to pontificate on the state of our country - he a South African now living in the USA - very reassuring.

Casdon

DollyRocker

Two of my friends went to protest. There weren't 100,000 people there, it was more like 2 million. The MSM is feeding the sheep more bs and desperately trying to downplay it.

That is actually a ridiculous assertion. Do you think 2 million additional people could descend on London on one day without massive impact on the travel infrastructure, that would have been reported as a major issue?

Duh, they wouldn't fit into the space allocated for the march, let alone be able to see or hear anything. Fake news I think.

If you are in an opposing group and a smaller number, you will always feel intimidated I should think.

Galaxy

But if you ( not you personally) label everyone far right or racist then it becomes meaningless. I don't even hear those words anymore and I am not the only one.

So do you mean we should never call a racist a racist. Are you ok with calling those rapists rapists but don't want to call him racist?

It was the words ‘they mustn’t be allowed to win’ 🤔

Although I'm sure Emeraldforest is more than capable of replying for herself, I didn't read her post as in any way suggesting that one group should be allowed to protest and the other should be banned. I read it as one group felt intimidated and threatened despite being completely non violent but that shouldn't stop that group from continuing to make their point. It's funny how we read these things according to our own viewpoint.

IOMGran - why did you want to get married in a Church? Especially a Church where you despised and ignored the vicar? Sorry, I know my question is slightly off piste but your comment puzzled me, on a thread where English values and culture are the focus

DollyRocker

Two of my friends went to protest. There weren't 100,000 people there, it was more like 2 million. The MSM is feeding the sheep more bs and desperately trying to downplay it.

That is actually a ridiculous assertion. Do you think 2 million additional people could descend on London on one day without massive impact on the travel infrastructure, that would have been reported as a major issue?

Emeraldforest

They were most certainly NOT all wearing masks or dressed in black! That was just a group of pro Palestinians. There was no trouble at all from any of the counter demonstrators who behaved with great self control when trapped between 2 groups for several hours.
The man who was photographed with a bloodied head was NOT injured by a counter demonstrator but as a result of his own altercation with the police.
I really take issue with anyone who is pointing any blame on the non racist group.

Am sorry that you had a bad experience but it was hard for the police to keep the groups apart.
You were there to make your point but so were the other group and both groups had the right to protest.
You say ‘they mustn’t be allowed to win’ does that mean you would prefer that group to be banned but your group allowed to protest?
I can’t see anyone winning anything tbh and see Saturday’s protest as people doing the only thing they can to make the government sit up and take notice.

IOMGran

GrannyGravy13

IOMGran

GrannyGravy13

IOMGran

QuoteEmeraldforest good to hear from someone on the ground. I can quite believe how feral and scary those thugs were as I grew up near Southend in Essex. I applaud our bravery in attending the counter demo. Of course some of our kindly old grans here will make passive aggressive remarks and downplay the violence because that suits their world view. We all know who they are now.

Are you implying that those thugs are from Essex…

I am saying I met many of those type when I grew up near Southend. I also have met them in Luton and many other places. Are you implying they are not thugs?

I think you are slurring a swathe of the population without any firm evidence.

I live not far from Southend, have you visited recently?

Do you still have contact with people that live there?

I try really hard to not go back there after my dad died. I always found it pretty toxic apart from the Toulouse restaurant and the Cliff gay pub. The rest was just crap.

Wow…

Two of my friends went to protest. There weren't 100,000 people there, it was more like 2 million. The MSM is feeding the sheep more bs and desperately trying to downplay it.

GrannyGravy13

IOMGran

GrannyGravy13

IOMGran

QuoteEmeraldforest good to hear from someone on the ground. I can quite believe how feral and scary those thugs were as I grew up near Southend in Essex. I applaud our bravery in attending the counter demo. Of course some of our kindly old grans here will make passive aggressive remarks and downplay the violence because that suits their world view. We all know who they are now.

Are you implying that those thugs are from Essex…

I am saying I met many of those type when I grew up near Southend. I also have met them in Luton and many other places. Are you implying they are not thugs?

I think you are slurring a swathe of the population without any firm evidence.

I live not far from Southend, have you visited recently?

Do you still have contact with people that live there?

I try really hard to not go back there after my dad died. I always found it pretty toxic apart from the Toulouse restaurant and the Cliff gay pub. The rest was just crap.

Well hopefully Teazel anyone joining TR's march in the hope of solving the housing crisis will now understand and appreciate that the people they have joined forces with are more interested in burning down accommodation than building it.

MayBee70

IOMGran

maybee70 neither would I, I wouldn't damage art either. I might throw paint over an Israeli warplane though.

But not an RAF one. What was the government to do? They couldn’t condone it. The press would have been down on them like a ton of bricks if they hadn’t taken the action they did. I don’t think I’ve ever known a government so hounded by the media. And people have forgotten how awful the previous government ( in all its incarnations ) was. And most of Reform MP’s and councillors are ex Conservatives. Blair’s government didn’t inherit the almighty mess that Truss et al left us with.

I agree, rock and a hard place. Personally I would love them to start mandating plurality on the media and breaking up the media monopolies. And also making the media accountable for the lies they spread with no consequences.

Doodle

growstuff

Babs03

“And it’s really scary that Sharia courts are allowed in England they should be banned!”

And this is the level of debate we have been reduced to. Open Islamophobia parading as justified indignation. The fact that most Muslims in this country have nothing whatsoever to do with Sharia law will obviously make no inroads.
And this will be the calibre of mist who are on this racist March.
Disgusting.

My daughter had two weddings: one a Sharia wedding in a mosque; the other was a civil wedding in a hotel.

Neither my daughter or her husband believe in any god.

The mosque wedding was to keep his parents and grandparents happy - as many people in the UK have had church weddings to please their relatives.

The wedding entailed going to a mosque, where the imam spoke to my daughter and her husband-to-be. There was no coercion to become a Muslim. The imam was aware that my son-in-law is not a practising Muslim. The imam spoke to my son-in-law about what was expected of a husband ie looking after his wife and protecting her. I expect it seems quite quaint and sexist, but nothing intimidating.

A document was then signed, involving all the males. My son-in-law promised to look after his wife. If he ever wants to divorce her, he has to pay my daughter's father £10. That's it! It can't be enforced in British law and, moreover, doesn't overwrite my daughter's rights. If they do want to divorce, my daughter can still go to a British court and argue her case for maintenance, just as everybody else can.

This whole Sharia Law trope is nonsense.

Sorry but if your daughter and son in law want to divorce he has to pay her father £10. i.e. she is her father’s property ?
She’s only worth £10 ? In this country, what a ridiculous way to behave

Yes it's about as ridiculous as the talk we had from a CofE vicar which we had to endure so we could get married in his church. All religion is nonsense and many people just play lip service to keep the old people happy and not rock the boat. Did you submit to your husband like I was told to by the CofE vicar because we ignored all his 'advice'?

IOMGran

GrannyGravy13

IOMGran

QuoteEmeraldforest good to hear from someone on the ground. I can quite believe how feral and scary those thugs were as I grew up near Southend in Essex. I applaud our bravery in attending the counter demo. Of course some of our kindly old grans here will make passive aggressive remarks and downplay the violence because that suits their world view. We all know who they are now.

Are you implying that those thugs are from Essex…

I am saying I met many of those type when I grew up near Southend. I also have met them in Luton and many other places. Are you implying they are not thugs?

I think you are slurring a swathe of the population without any firm evidence.

I live not far from Southend, have you visited recently?

Do you still have contact with people that live there?

IOMGran

maybee70 neither would I, I wouldn't damage art either. I might throw paint over an Israeli warplane though.

But not an RAF one. What was the government to do? They couldn’t condone it. The press would have been down on them like a ton of bricks if they hadn’t taken the action they did. I don’t think I’ve ever known a government so hounded by the media. And people have forgotten how awful the previous government ( in all its incarnations ) was. And most of Reform MP’s and councillors are ex Conservatives. Blair’s government didn’t inherit the almighty mess that Truss et al left us with.

Why imply that thugs come from Southend? There can be thugs from anywhere at all.

It’s Medieval Doodle who would want to go along with it?

GrannyGravy13

IOMGran

QuoteEmeraldforest good to hear from someone on the ground. I can quite believe how feral and scary those thugs were as I grew up near Southend in Essex. I applaud our bravery in attending the counter demo. Of course some of our kindly old grans here will make passive aggressive remarks and downplay the violence because that suits their world view. We all know who they are now.

Are you implying that those thugs are from Essex…

I am saying I met many of those type when I grew up near Southend. I also have met them in Luton and many other places. Are you implying they are not thugs?

growstuff

Babs03

“And it’s really scary that Sharia courts are allowed in England they should be banned!”

And this is the level of debate we have been reduced to. Open Islamophobia parading as justified indignation. The fact that most Muslims in this country have nothing whatsoever to do with Sharia law will obviously make no inroads.
And this will be the calibre of mist who are on this racist March.
Disgusting.

My daughter had two weddings: one a Sharia wedding in a mosque; the other was a civil wedding in a hotel.

Neither my daughter or her husband believe in any god.

The mosque wedding was to keep his parents and grandparents happy - as many people in the UK have had church weddings to please their relatives.

The wedding entailed going to a mosque, where the imam spoke to my daughter and her husband-to-be. There was no coercion to become a Muslim. The imam was aware that my son-in-law is not a practising Muslim. The imam spoke to my son-in-law about what was expected of a husband ie looking after his wife and protecting her. I expect it seems quite quaint and sexist, but nothing intimidating.

A document was then signed, involving all the males. My son-in-law promised to look after his wife. If he ever wants to divorce her, he has to pay my daughter's father £10. That's it! It can't be enforced in British law and, moreover, doesn't overwrite my daughter's rights. If they do want to divorce, my daughter can still go to a British court and argue her case for maintenance, just as everybody else can.

This whole Sharia Law trope is nonsense.

Sorry but if your daughter and son in law want to divorce he has to pay her father £10. i.e. she is her father’s property ?
She’s only worth £10 ? In this country, what a ridiculous way to behave